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  1. El-P
    It was basically what Matt said, the most heatless cage match ever. Remember too that Windham was a heel feuding with Brian Pillman at the time, and in the cage match he's all of a sudden working like a dull babyface, as is Luger. So it was a failed double-turn. Luger does get some heat eventually, but it really hurt him and his first reign. luger was crazy over with WCW crowds up to that point, especially in 89 and 90, either as a heel or a face. He was the only one that did really good business with Flair on top during that period. And he was also quite the trooper and hard worker until I'd say the early 91, and much better than Sting up to that point. The way he had to turn again to get that belt in a heatless match against a heel turning face for no reason and without anything to it really undermined Luger, and it showed in the last months of his WCW stint. He's not as over as he was, and doesn't work as hard as he used too. Doesn't help that his first big program was against Simmons, who was not ready (well, he never was) to work on a main event level, although their match at Halloween Havoc is better than it looks on paper. Luger would leave just a few months after (by early 92 he was WWF, through WBF, bound and would jack himself up to ridiculous degrees and not appear on TV at all before dropping the belt to Sting). To me it really killed Luger's motivation and a part of his aura. He would regain it when he would come back fresh on the first Nitro, as WCW crowds did love Luger. No, it was a total clusterfuck, and the TV following it was pretty dreadfull. Only the low undercard with Austin/Dustin and the York Foundation was fun. The Simmons/Luger program wasn't good (usual race card shit) and took forever. WCW began to be interesting again and get a sense of direction back only with Halloween Havoc and the arrival of Rick Rude, which would set Sting on fire, and the whole Danregous Alliance angle.
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    Yep. The booking as a whole and the main event scene was totally fucked up, but the lower undercard with Austin/Dustin and the York Foundation stuff mainly was the saving grace. You don't get that in 1993.
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    Rick Rude teaming with The Equalizer. Ice Train having his last match on an indy show before coming to WCW. With Thunderbolt Patterson. Yoshi Kwan has got Cactus Jack's magic bag. Johnny B. Badd vs Maxx Payne. The debut of the Disney tapings. The Colossal Kongs and the Shockmaster being the new faces of the roster. Ric Flair, boring babyface & Paul Roma, horseman. Vader teaming with Sid, which brings down Vader's matches quite a few notches. Welcome to WCW in the summer of 1993. (a few bright spots : Regal vs Steamboat on TV, Bobby Eaton & Chris Benoit, whenever 2 Cold Scorpio shows up in a competitive single or tag match)
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    I agree the months after Flair left were pretty dreadfull, but I find the summer of 1993 much worse. God, the Colossal Kongs, Ice Train and the Equalizer are showing up. Soon the Shockmaster will debut. Roma is a Horseman and Flair is boring. The TV sucks, the angles suck (Johnny B. Badd vs Max Paynne, Yoshi Kwan getting Cactus' magic bag, Rick Rude teaming up with the freaking Equalizer !), thankfully you got a fun match here and there, but nothing, not even the Summer of 1990 (which was also terrible) has been such a drag to go through until that point.
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    Pretty cool to see. Barry looks like Blackjack Mulligan now, but I'm glad he recovered from the heart attack. Seriously one of my favourite wrestler ever (especially after going through WCW 1990-1993, which only reinforced my fandom for Barry).
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    Good stuff. Gotta love Brian not defending Tammy when Tracey calls her a tramp "Damn right she is!". Tammy has that very "early 90's" sense of fashion that is... not very good.
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    Well, even against the Rock' Roll, the Harris boys can't work a lick. It's amazing how they look clueless, how nothing they do look remotely good, how they are incapable to work like monsters. That these guys found work everywhere in the 90's baffles me. They had somewhat of a look as Brody's little brothers, but that's it. They are even worse than Sid.
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    Holy shit. I didn't care for Brian Lee one bit until then, and here he cuts an actual decent heel promo. And it makes sense ! I feel the heel turn will do wonder for my enjoyement of Brian Lee, which has been zilch thus far.
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    Davey Richards, post modern meta self-mark wrestler, but old school carny.
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    Damn. Quite frankly, I don't remember it if that happened. I have no recollection of a Windham promo explaining anything. I remember the bizarre line-up being basically changed the day of the PPV and that was it.
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    The angle is pretty awesome, and Bullet Bob beatdown is pretty brutal (actually Cornette did break or bruise his ribs and hurt his neck during this, thanks to hard shots). The more I watch SMW, the more Cornette's rants and ECW and its mindless violence sounds a bit hypocritical to me. The "chairshot heard around the world" was less brutal than this. Anyway, the promos Cornette cut on Bullet Bob and Bob's responses from home have been pretty great. That being said, I'm afraid it won't deliver in the ring, as I'm not a big fan of Scott Armstrong's work thus far, and Steve was clearly the lesser Southern Boy too, so coming after the R'n'R feud, the in-ring action may be underwhelming (which kinda is the case anyway in SMW, the best parts are the angles and promos) Yep, truly a shitty and cheap finish. The one thing I don't like about Cornette's booking, is the overuse of gimmick matches and stipulations. That showed in WWF too when he was in the booking team. After a while it's just overkill, just let these guy have a match that isn't ampered by an awkward gimmick. Actually, the Bruise Brothers had been on WCW TV a few weeks before in squashes matches. They were hinting at a feud with the Cole Twins. Then they left after just one taping or two to get a try out with WWF. They work dark matches there, so technically they did work on WWF tapings too, although didn't make TV. Me too. The first one was pretty good (although like I said, Scott Armstrong doesn't strike me as very good). Del Ray was still rather lean at that point, he looked like he was fresh off FMW. But man was he sleazy looking ! It really added a different dimension to the team, as Lane was the pussy magnet he pretended to be. With Gigolo Jimmy, the Bodies really fall into pure sleazebags territory. I thought Candido was already quite good from the get go. He was also working ECW at that time in the Suicide Blondes tag team (which is the highlight of the very early ECW). Tammy I agree was still a bit shy on camera. She was what, 19 years old ?
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    Hopefully heel Brian Lee will be more fun than babyface Brian Lee, as he sucked in that role.
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    More impressive newcomers in the names of the Colossal Kongs and the Equalizer. Who the fuck was hiring these guys ? So, Ricky Steamboat's new "gimmick" is that he's old and going for a last ride in single on the undercard. It's surreal to see the heel talk about how old Steamboat is when at the same time he's feuding with Paul Orndorff who was 4 years older than him, and Flair being pushed to the top, he too a 44 years old. Anyway, the fun of the B-shows is you can stumble onto really fun TV matches like this Main Event 07.25 Ric Flair & Arn Anderson vs Bobby Eaton & Chris Benoit match. It's the best I've seen Flair since his comeback, and it's much better than the Horsemen vs Blonds match from Beach Blast. Flair makes a really good face in peril, and Benoit & Eaton are a great makeshift team, two awesome work machines. It's too bad they never went anywhere and Benoit got back to NJ. Despite being basically the designated jobber of whatever his team is, Bobby Eaton still looks like one of the best wrestler in the country at this point. At one point he slaps the shit out of Flair, which ignites a fiery response of stiff chops, really fun sequence that shows Flair needs someone to get him out of his autopilot work at times, which is something I believe Savage did too in 95/96.
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    When the most satisfying match on a PPV involves Marcus Bagwell and the Godwinns, you know this isn't good. Beach Blast was a disapointment in every way. Rude vs Dustin was mostly a dull match, a far cry from Rude vs Steamboay the previous year. Horsemen vs Blonds went way too long, and to me Roma & Arn as faces doesn't work. Especially Roma, who's wooden and has zero charisma nor connection with the audience. Of course Windham vs Flair couldn't be too good although Windham looked quite impressive on one knee, while Flair looked like a guy on autopilot. Not impressed by 1993 Flair thus far, and I know Flair vs Rude and Flair vs Vader isn't very good either. Main event was nice, although Sid really looks inept next to Vader, even moreso than on his own. The undercard was a big nothing, with Orndorff vs Simmons and Badd vs Payne being bad matches (Simmons stock really dropped with me after he left Doom and was especially exposed once he became World champ). Regal vs Watts was pretty decent, and Watts showed quite a bit of improvement. And Scorp & Bagwell vs Tex & Pierce was a nice little tag match, probably one of the Godwinns best. WCW 1993 is exhausting me.
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    Yeah, Taker is basically a nostalgia act showing up at Mania, which has been mostly a nostalgia show these past few years, centered around old guys either retiring (Flair, Shawn) or having their yearly "epic" (Taker vs Shawn, Taker vs HHH), or a big star from the past coming back (Rock).
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    Yeah, quite funny to see Solie as confused as the viewers.
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    Pretty good match. Next to Vader, Sid looks like a complete inept wimp, and he brings the match down a lot whenever he's on offense. Sting is on fire every time he's against Vader. First ever Vader moonsault in the US I guess, although it's kinda wasted since the Bulldog still pins him 20 seconds later (although Sting had to make a save). Beach Blast was a pretty non-descript and disapointing PPV.
  18. El-P
    The match is actually pretty damn good, but Windham blows away Flair here, blown out knee or not. Flair is on autopilot, gets sloppy on occasion, and just doesn't look like anything special, rather an old guy going through his signature spots. Windham is the one who keeps the match moving, and it's a shame they fucked the finish, it could have been a very good match in the end. Flair's post match promo is good, but I'm not impressed with his comeback so far.
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    I realize that it's something I'm totally incapable of doing today. I don't keep track of anything I watch, I don't do any rankings anymore, I don't keep any list anymore. I would have totally answered this question 6-7 years ago.
  20. El-P
    I couldn't disagree more. I thought this totally dragged, they went way too long and got virtually no heat until the hot tag by Arn, which got heat for 15 seconds until people realized Roma was the guy who just came in. Roma has zero charisma as a babyface, so his face in peril segment was boring and wooden, Lance Storm couldn't have been worse. His work was mechanically ok, but really, Z-Man would have been much better as far as getting a connection with the crowd, that's how useless Roma was here. Arn is just not that great in a babyface in peril role either, although much better, but two long babyface in peril segments with two miscast babyfaces just makes the match kind of a drag to me, although the Blondes were really good. All in all, a mediocre match that could have been really good if it went 15 minutes with the Blondes bumping and selling their ass off before stealing the win. Plus booking an overlong match just before a garanteed 30 minutes match (Dustin vs Rude) is a flagrant booking mistake.
  21. El-P
    The build to Beach Blast 1993 is absolutely tepid. Apart from a really good Blons & Windham vs Horsemen (minus Roma who barely gets in), no good match on TV. No good angle either (well, no angle at all). They have Flair cutting one or two good promos on Windham and a nice brawl on Worldwide, but that's pretty much it. The main event is solely built on the infamous Cheatum video. Dustin vs Rude seems like an afterthought after 6 months of anticipation, and the undercard is a big nothing. They were going into a transitionnal period, moving the tapings to Orlando soon, and searching for a new booking team. It shows, this is difficult to go trough. Oh, and Steve Austin did a 6 minutes clean job to Paul Roma. Holy shit.
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    Morton's promo is indeed great. The neo-nazis are in town. Yawn. Can they be as useless here as they have been in ECW, WWF and WCW, or will Morton work his magic with those two SS tatooed goofs ?
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    Smothers was blinded, and apparently deaf too, couldn't he hear Horner ? I don't see were this is going, although a heel Tim Horner could work. Cornette has a pretty good punch himself, I guess he was taught by Eaton. He has gained a lot of weight in the past 2 years though, the difference is striking with the first SMW shows.
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    I second this too. Bob Armstrong was one of the best promos in wrestling at this time. Great stuff. Jimmy Del Ray is one the sleaziest looking wrestler ever, and he's actually pretty efficient on promos too.
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    I love Dutch reactions.
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