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[1994-09-17-WCW-Saturday Night] Interview: Hulk Hogan
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
Hogan's promos from the beach are basically all the same kind of bullshit we've seen since he won the title at Mania in 1993. He's promoting Thunder in Paradise harder than WCW.- 7 replies
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It appears to be the last match he called on Worldwide too, he was gone the following week. Another case of Hogan's bad influence. Too bad, I loved Ventura. Makes a great point about Hogan being a hypocrite. This is basically a competitive squash, which is sad but every Armstrong was a jobber at this point. But for a competitive squash, it's pretty great. Vader brings out urgency in BA, which is something you rarely see, and Vader himself looks thrilled to work with him.
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What ? the Bruise Borthers ? Again ? How many times did these guy show up in WCW working squashes match and leaving after a few weeks ? Barry Darsow as a heckler fan is really, really annoying. I guess that was the point. Too bad he couldn't d the Repo Man, thar was his best gimmick.
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I can believe that, at least the good match with the Shrinkers. Money Inc. I haven't seen in ages. Cool little stuff on WCW TV : Ricky Steamboat working against Jean Paul Levesque on Saturday Night. This reminds me why I really enjoyed HHH as long as he was a mid-card snob, as Levesque obviously had potential already. He actually really destroys Steamboat's shoulder here. I wonder if they would have had a program after Ricky would have dropped back the title to Austin. The debut of Alex Wright, before the haircut and the techno music I love so much. And man did he look like a shitload of potential too, as he was only 18 or so. I never realized he was in WCW so early. First match with Brady Boone, in full Tiger Mask mode, and it really was a proto-cruiserweight match. Pretty neat. Man, was Kimberly Page smoking. Yeah, just wanna mention it. Cactus Jack cutting an intense, great promo in which he mentionned his infamous word ushered in German in a Munich hospital. As good as his ECW stuff from the same timeframe, really. WCW was so blind, losing such a great talent. And a not so cool stuff : Brian Pillman must have been depressed. He's just not used at all. His match with Austin was just a backdrop for an angle with Steamboat, and he's never mentionned again. Poor guy. No wonder he finally snapped, after years and years of working his ass off, getting over both as a face and a heel, surviving the ridiculous Lightheavyweight division, surviving the most ill-fated and rushed babyface turn of the last 3 years (since the Luger turn in 1991 I would say). Nope, not getting anything back.
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How is it not Flair ? Seriously. I liked this a lot. Flair in complete denial getting his heat back by being the coolest cat in Vegas, strutting his stuff and looking like Hogan is way beneath him. Gotta love it. Excellent promo, cool setting. There's a world between this and the totally despisable (for a supposed babyface) and uncool (playing ball on the beach with Bruti and Jimmy Hart, yikes) segment with Hogan the previous week.
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Whatever. Eric Bischoff's hair look fake. As does his smile. God this man was unlikable.
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There you go. If I got more of these kind of matches on a regular basis, I would enjoy the Studd Stable more. Having Buck not in the match would help a lot too. Of course having Terry Funk work doesn't exactly hurt. Even when he's outside the ring, he's the best worker here. The heckler looks like a retard dressed like Spike Dudley. Wait, maybe that was Spike Dudley.
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Good little TV match which should be expected with Arn, Dustin & Steamboat. Buck drags along, as always, channeling Rick Rude doing bear holds in tag matches. Funk crawling under the ring was funny. Oh, Terry... I know the day is coming soon, and I miss Steamboat already.
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In Kitano's masterpiece "Hana-bi", you can see one character wearing a Cactus Jack T-shirt. And of course you got Chono and Tenzan destroying a restaurant in "Glory to the Filmmaker".
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[1994-09-03-WCW-Saturday Night] Interview: Col. Parker's Army
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
I don't want Jimmy Golden on my TV anymore. Seriously. Why couldn't Meng be a part of War Games instead of Buck ? This is the only long term feud in WCW in 1994, and I don't care very much about it. I would have rather had Dustin work on top against Austin, Vader and Flair to be honest.- 6 replies
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[1994-09-03-WCW-Saturday Night] Interview: Hulk Hogan
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
Yes, Hogan is unbearable. He's got everything he wants to, Flair is suspended, yet he finds a way to be a paranoid bitch and even get on the case of Gene Okerlund, who rode his dick from day one. Now I can understand Bruti being pissed because Hogan's only got one dick so he gots to get Gene away from it. Hogan's knee injury looks phony as hell since he's basically playing on the beach. Worst babyface ever.- 6 replies
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If this is the match I think it is, then it's the first "big" wrestling match I ever saw, and of course it was the greatest thing ever to me when I saw it. I miss those times.
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The thing is, if you put aside the first Clash match, which is an incredible carry job from Flair, Flair and Sting really never got the best out of each other. It became really obvious to me watching 1994 as after those great matches with Vader, Sting working Flair has him regressing to chest pumping and no-selling left and right, while Flair reverts to his most routine work in years. For some reasons they had a match in 1990 which was really not that good and it's like it was their reference in how to work together in later years. So yeah, I would agree Flair and Sting just weren't the best dynamic. It's like Hart and Shawn in the WWF, it really never clicked that well in the ring while they had great matches with other workers, including way inferior ones.
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Don't get the facts in the way of a good story I guess. I'm not an expert at all on WWF 1980, but, man, hearing that Backkund couldn't draw a dime and nobody cared about Bob... Hum, what ? Zbyszko is a great storyteller though.
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Miracles have happened before, I think we agreed on several things about ECW, and I would guess I share some of the same opinions about SMW too (Tracy Smothers, DWB, New Jack promo ability etc...). But you and I having strictly oppositve views on things isn't exatcly new indeed. One thing I didn't expect, the Nasty Boys work actually better as a babyface act. They still mostly suck, but they are better at getting their ass kicked and bump around, as ugly as it is, than they are are trying to get heat with those long, horrible, boring control segments that would put even Rick Rude to sleep. Not that I've seen anything actually *good* from them since the great brawl with Cac & Sullivan, but their matches since the turn are not as bad as they have been before. Still, the Nasties stock overall has dropped quite a bit with their comeback in 1993. And it's not like I had a very high opinion of their work before. On the other end, since mid 94, Johnny B. Badd has become a mid-card fixture for good little matches if put together with a solid worker. Mero has come a long way since his debut. In the latter part of 1993 he already showed some solid improvements, and now he's clearly a pretty good worker with a more serious edge to his character.
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[1994-08-27-WCW-Saturday Night] Cactus Jack and Evad Sullivan
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1994
Very good promo from Cactus. I really enjoyed his whole stint with Sullivan, and here he ties their history together dating back to 1989, which is nice and typical of Cactus. Dave Sullivan doesn't look like he works in the same promotion, with his goofball character and Hulkster T-shirt. Yep, Cactus made the right move.- 8 replies
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[1994-08-27-WCW-Saturday Night] Dusty Rhodes and Nasty Boys vignette
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1994
God awful. Looks like a "bad bar" out of a Ninja Turtle movie or something. The Nasty Boys aren't just embarrassing wrestlers, they are also embarrassing actors. But what can you do, Saggs is Dusty's brother in law, and Knobbs is Hogan's pal. Yeah, this is nearly as bad as anything involving Cheatum. But the lack of Cheatum keeps this from being awesomely bad.- 9 replies
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[1994-08-27-WCW-Saturday Night] Nick Bockwinkel statement
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1994
Hogan is he worst babyface ever kayfabe wise. Yet another exemple here. The heel turn was so long overdue when you think about it, Hogan's character is so unlikable.- 6 replies
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Dupree isn't French, he's Canadian. Andre the fucking Giant was French. I would love to see a good French douche gimmick done *right*. I know they have got the French Stallion signed, but they already gave him a shitty name so I have no hope (Sylvester Lefort ? I mean, really ?). I doubt anyone in WWE actually knows anything about France beyond clichés, so there's that too. But damn if I could not create a complete French hipster douche like you see in Paris. Or an altermondialist leftist coming out to Manu Chao's "Clandestino" or an old Berrurier Noir tune, telling Americans to shove their capitalist way of life up their ass and shit. Or a arrogant, higher than thou rich pervert who pathologically goes after every woman (you know who I'm aiming after here). There's so many good gimmicks you can do. Oh, I guess the next in line will be a guy wearing a beret, carrying a baguette and a French flag who listens to accordion and surrenders a lot. *sigh* (well, now that I think of it, they did had a guy with an actual legit French name, and who has been a giant douche for years... hum...)
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[1994-08-24-WCW-Clash of the Champions XXVIII] Ric Flair vs Hulk Hogan
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1994
Yeah I know. My question was rethorical. In 1993 WCW spended more money to get Gene, Heenan and Buffer than they did taking care of its loyal workers. No wonder they got frustrated. Buffer was of course the worse.- 23 replies
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[1994-08-24-WCW-Clash of the Champions XXVIII] Ric Flair vs Hulk Hogan
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1994
I usually enjoy Flair vs Hogan, and depsite the fact Flair looks like a complete bitch I actually enjoyed this one too. One thing I liked was that Hulk kept on selling his leg during the hulk up, which I thought was a nice touch. Of course Hogan worked the match like he was doing the job, which is only half-true since he doesn't really does the job. One thing that hasn't been mentionned is WHY MICHEAL BUFFER WAS BROUGHT BACK AFTER TWO HORRIBLE CONSECUTIVES FUCK UPS ? He first announces that Flair is the new champ. Then announces that Hulk keeps the title because it's a DQ. And they gave big money to this idiot for years and years after this shit ? Oh, Bischoff... Anyway, this Clash really was the opposite of the previous PPV and the sign that Hogan was gonna fuck WCW doggystyle until the end. First really awful Hogan angle, first show totally taken hostage by Hogan (not to mention refusing to do the job), first official apparition of Brother "let's main event Starrcade together dude" Bruti, Flair looking like a total dumb bitch, the announcers being forced to oversell left and right. Yep, this is the day things go awry. It didn't take long.- 23 replies
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Nothing match, again, despite having both Funk and Dusty, who's still fun to watch at this point (as opposed as when he came back in ECW I mean). Buck is actively bad here, ignoring Funk feeding him Dusty's arm and being is usual weak-ass kick-punch machine. The post match really is the debut of THA MONSTER MENG, which can be considered a good or a bad thing, depending. The most puzzling thing to me is why Arn isn't working the match ? You know, Arn, the guy who turned on Dustin and jumpstart the involvment of Dusty to begin with. This makes no sense to not have him in the match, as Buck is a done deal at this point. I'm sorry, but this is the most overrated feud in WCW (and I say that only because it's been pimped as being great both on the yearbook threads and on the WCW thread. There you go. This really underwhelms me a lot. I hope I'll still love the Wargames match)
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[1994-08-24-WCW-Clash of the Champions XXVIII] Music Video: Honky Tonk Man
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1994
Jimmy Hart does a great job plagiarizing himself, including using some of the same exact lyrics from the original HTK song. But seriously, a video for the HTK in 1994, this was the sign WCW was not going into a good direction. The writing was on the wall for guys like Austin, Pillman, Badd, Cactus (who was leaving anyway) who had busted their ass for years and saw guys like Flair & Arn hanging on their spots and Hogan's friends coming in mass. Not surprising that these four would be on the forefront of WWF's renaissance in 1996.- 6 replies
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[1994-08-24-WCW-Clash of the Champions XXVIII] Steve Austin vs Ricky Steamboat
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1994
Word. Oh, also, fuck you Eric Bischoff.- 9 replies
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[1994-08-24-WCW-Clash of the Champions XXVIII] Hulk Hogan and the masked man
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1994
Oh God. The first horrible Hogan angle. Maybe I should keep a count. Hogan's acting is godawful. It's so overdone and oversold it's not funny. Well, it is funny as a matter of fact. Gene : "This is the most horrifying thing I've never seen" The masked man surely hit Hogan's knee from under his knee. This is not a horrible attack, this is a horrible angle. And it's still going on as I'm typing. And I laugh quite a bit. "This is the worst nightmare of any wrestling fan" says Gene. Yeah, you don't say. SERIOUSLY ?- 7 replies
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