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Tell me Dutch Mantell is gonna come back !! Pleaaaaaaaase !!! I really enjoyed Dutch in Memphis, I really enjoyed Dutch in WCW in the early 90 although he was basically a JTTS, but man, did I became a massive Dutch Mantell fan in SMW. Seriously my favourite color guy ever now next to Ventura, and yes, his team with Caudle was the best in the US at that point. SMW won't be the same without Dirty Dutch.
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Agreed. If I want to synthetize everything I dislike about WWE style and presentation, my answer would be Randy Orton in a nutshell. He's the prototype of WWE cookie-cutter worker/look/production.
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Slamboree was really poorly built. An surprise opponent never work anyway, especially not for the World title. I can't even tell what is supposed to be the main event for this show. Flair is just killing time waiting for Hogan again. Good promo considerong he doesn't have much to say. I never thought I would say that, but I actually can't wait to see Hogan show up because the TV has rather boring, Flair booking didn't improved the TV product.
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Isn't that still Fifi ?
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Agreed. Magnum may have been a big star in JCP in the mid-80's, but I don't see that translating into corporate WCW with all the commitees and bookers. I see him having a nice upper mid-card career in WCW a la Windham or Steamboat at best and being phased out in the early to mid-90's, probably out of the business as an active worker when Hogan shows up with his followers. Doesn't change a thing for WCW in the long haul.
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As a sumo fan, these kind of matches are embarrasing. Yoko really was exposed too here as someone who, well, never did any sumo. The Akebono match made me die a little.
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For the first 2/3 I thought this was gonna be better than Stampede because of the better pacing and intensity, but they lost me with the last 1/3. The match stopped building after a while and they just got around repeating spots without much rythme or reasons, and showing legit actual signs of tireness and sloppiness, especially Flair. So, no, it's not better than the Stampede match. I thought the finish was lame and anticlimatic, as with a lot of Flair wins. The match sure isn't helped by the TV crowd who doesn't understand what these two were doing. What with all the kids wearing the same shirt ? They were dead. I disagree Steamboat wasn't over as we can regularly hear a "Steamboat" chant, that being said, it might have been piped in. So, great match for the two third, and not so great at the end, which makes it very good nonetheless. The post-match angle again shows how much I'm not buying Col. Parker as a big time manager, I don't care for his promo style nor his character. The difference with Paul E. back in 1992 or Cornette in SMW is striking. I'm not saying Fuller is bad (although he was much more fun as Robert Fuller), just that this character doesn't cut it with me on the upper card. Also, Heenan really isn't very good calling these kind of long wrestling match. Too much joky joky.
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Agreed, I'm not that fond of the American histosy part, but the latter half was really good.
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I remember that match, really fun indeed. Remember the airplane spin, and remember Sherri... oh Sherri.
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Yeah, Steve Keirn wearing a golden sequined tux while resembling my grandfather wasn't great, but I suppose it gave Bobby Eaton something to do for a month or two. I don't remember much of them quality wise, how much cop were they as a team? The team sucked. When you have dull and uninteresting matches against Steamboat & Anderson, that says a lot. Eaton was on cruise control (why wouldn't he be ?) and Keirn was washed up and lazy, a new version of Jimmy Garvin (and I don't think much of Keirn even in his prime anyway). Just not a good deal for Eaton, who deserved better. Too bad Benoit didn't stick around in 93, as Eaton looked really motivated next to him.
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So, Low Ki is that indy guys who kicks very hard, think of himself as some kind of tough guy because he's got a low voice and he's a mark for kicking people really hard when they give their body to him, has done nothing in any major promotion and kickstarted (punintended) a wave of kickpad indy guys clone over the last decade. I mean, seriously ?
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Good Flair promo. Arn coming of with the Horsemen is either cool either getting dated and repetitive (it sure led to some great stuff the previous time around when Flair came back). Since it went nowhere it's neither I guess.
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[1994-04-30-WCW-Worldwide] Vader vs Cactus Jack (Texas Death)
El-P replied to Loss's topic in April 1994
Heenan was good at times, but he was way too much concerned with making jokes. It's a shame they got rid of Ventura, he was way way better on every level. (also, Heenan and Gene Okerlund getting shitload of money while guys like Austin and Pillman talking pay cuts is the beginning of the Bischoff era of spending for WWF glory days people instead of developping and paying your homegrown talent). The Worlwide production is one of the worst ever, another Bischoff brainfart. On the match itself, it felt rushed to me, and was kind of a sad ending to a pretty brutal feud. No wonder Cactus was pissed. -
After watching Rude for the last year and a half, I can't say I'll miss him that much on WCW rings. He just wasn't the same worker he was in 1992. I really wonder how good he would have been in 1999 if he had made his comeback. Still, pretty sad to see a career end on a really bad injury. The bump is awful.
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[1994-04-30-WCW-Saturday Night] Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat and Nick Bockwinkel
El-P replied to Loss's topic in April 1994
The segment is good, and I like that they kept on going with the feud, but the title being held up is pretty lame. A way to boost Flair's record I guess.- 7 replies
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Good interactions between Regal and Larry. "I'm not here to punch anyone" and wham !
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[1994-04-30-WCW-Saturday Night] Ray Traylor and the Guardian Angels
El-P replied to Loss's topic in April 1994
I always thought the Bossman was a very dubious babyface, he looked like a sadistic cop who abused his power and used the excuse of the law to beat up defenseless people. Guardian Angel was a pretty goofy gimmick, but I guess he was too bland as Big Bubba or Ray Traylor.- 6 replies
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Spring Stampede was really a strong PPV which ended up better than the sum of its parts. Nothing too great on the card (last two matches aside), but nothing bad and really well put together. Good pace, all matches at the right lenghts, very well balanced (nice little opener, then technical and stiffness, then insane brawling, then more trad wrestling match again, then very heated match with strong characters, then a different kind of brawl with a lot more storytelling and tons of blood, then two bull throwing bombs, then classic long main event with great work). A real model of a PPV in execution, too bad the build was very mediocre leading to it on TV. And too bad it ended on a sour note with a dumb finish, but that aside, really the way PPV's should be put together. Just pure fun.
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[1994-04-17-WCW-Spring Stampede] Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat
El-P replied to Loss's topic in April 1994
Shitty finish aside, this match is perfectly fine in 1994. It's a a slow build match capping off an excellent PPV with no downtime and tons of exciting stuff, you can't expect teh crowd to get hot for the firt 10 minutes of headlocks exchange. But that's how you build a match. The issue is not that they didn't modernize the match, the issue is that Flair was getting older and had cut back on stuff he was still doing in 1989, plus not being has smooth and he was. Steamboat nearly looks the same, which is amazing. They could also have refered to the infamous CHi-Town match by having Steamboat work on the arm and shoulder, which would have made the final spot way more efficient, but in the context of the match it wasn't exactly needed either. I disagree with Loss when he says you want more from them, because it's obvious getting that kind of match from Flair in 1994 is already pretty great, it's about as good as you might get at this point. I don't think he was reserved, but he wasn't working fiery babyface underdog like against Vader not full fledge heel like he would again Hogan, so it's kinda in between, with more emphasis on working as technical babyface Flair which isn't his best role at all. It's like the Bret vs Flair match from 1998 (4 years after this one, think about it), which I find perfectly fine considering the level of Flair's work at the time. Despite the dumb finish (a Flair template), I would be confortable to put this in a MOTYC for WCW, although it's clearly not as good as Arn vs Regal. All in all, it's not 1989 anymore, but it's still pretty damn good. (oh, and I gotta mention that Hulk Hogan's name was dropped during Steamboat's intro...)- 17 replies
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Vader is awesome here, one of his best performance in WCW. I love super heavyweights beating the hell out of each others, and this sure delivered in spades. I have an issue with The Boss selling though, he looked way too fresh at times, including in the post-match, while Vader sold like a champ. But damn if that isn't one hell of a match. Boss is stripped from his gimmick because he assaulted Harley Race (which I thought was a complete heel move, beating a man down with his nightstick) and well, because the WWF is threatening to sue.
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Rewatched Dustin vs Buck from Spring Stampede. Good match, really fun actually, Dustin looked better and more fired up than he ever was nearly in all of 1993, so that's nice to see, working in full Dusty Rhodes mode. Good stuff, but not great stuff by any stretch of the imagination, and Golden still doesn't bring much to the table to me, especially on offense (he's good at bumping and taking the abuse). (too bad we couldn't get Dustin vs Col. parker actually, as Fuller was a better worker than Golden).
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[1994-04-17-WCW-Spring Stampede] Dustin Rhodes vs Bunkhouse Buck (Bunkhouse)
El-P replied to Loss's topic in April 1994
Good brawling match, with Dustin in full American Dream mode carrying the thing on his shoulder like there's no tomorrow, bleeding buckets and dropping the elbow. Golden is decent in this kind of match, but really nothing special. Good feeder like Loss said, but outside of that, really the match would have been much more fun with Fuller. It's nice to have a family member on the booking commity, isn't it Golden ?- 14 replies
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When Rude showed up in 1991, it lit a fire under Sting and really helped him to get his level of work to the next level, and it's about that time that I began to enjoy Sting on a regular basis. 1994, Rude is so done here, and Sting actually reverted to do his no-selling bayface act that he wasn't doing that much in big matches. It's decent at best, and only look better than it is thanks to the great heat. The big gold belt being basically an undercard championship (nobody would think Rude was the Man at that time), all goes toward a unification so that Flair can get back the big gold belt and ditch this useless fake world championship. Cool pop for Sting but not really a good match nor a decisive moment. The promise of a renewed feud with vader is obviously the highlight.
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[1994-04-17-WCW-Spring Stampede] Cactus Jack & Maxx Payne vs Nasty Boys
El-P replied to Loss's topic in April 1994
Funny to re-read my comment from a few montsh ago before I got to watch the whole WCW TV from that era. Which wasn't great at all infact. Anyway, insane brawl, yeah, felt organic, violent and chaotic, yeah, because it actually was. That being said, it's basically Foley + three shitty workers busting stuff over their heads. Without Foley bumping it's not much of anything of note. I always chuckle when I think Saggs accused Scott Hall of injuring him and ending his career by being careless. Saggs accusing anyone of being careless is pretty damn rich. So yeah, fun for what it was, except for unecessary stiff shots to the head at the end. It's the only fun match involving the Nasties and Payne, most probably because it doesn't take much, if any ability.- 20 replies
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Totally agree.