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People have turned on MITB already? Seriously? It's usually one of the best matches on the card, the only downside has been how they've kind of booked themselves into a corner with the winner getting the title every time, so it's going to end up like the Rumble where only certain guys logically can win it. I remember watching a WM some years ago, maybe the the one Flair retired, and though this match was just a stunt show with guys thrown together for the sake of it. Really, this kind of stuff for fun in ECW in 96 when it was really chaotic and messy and dangerous, and not carefully preplanned and looking like it. As a yearly gimmick in a WM card, yeah, yawner from me. I had no idea they would still do this to this day.
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They still do MITB ? Seriously ? *yawn already*
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I would love to see HHH break the streak. Only for the reactions afterward.
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I will probably watch WM this year in an effort to see what's the WWE product is like these days. HHH vs Taker streak vs career would have been a terrible match, as they already stunk up the joint in 2001 so it couldn't have been better 10 years later, but at least it would have been interesting to see the result.
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Well, in that case, it failed.
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Yeah, really good video. Funk is so lovable even as a crazy heel.
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[1996-11-16-FMW-Scramble Survivor] Taka Michinoku vs Hayabusa
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1996
I recommended this match. Haven't seen it in years though. I do remember them packing up thos damn japanese chairs. It's much better than the Sasuke match it was building to. TAKA also had a nice match with WIN*G Kanemura at the same period.- 7 replies
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I loved the Pulp Fiction videos, it was a great way to wrap all the angles and promos at the same time in a cool video package. Much better than the hideous invisible camera backstage skits. The Double Cross Ranch phone call was great.
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So while WCW was soon getting into the hottest angle of the decade, WWF had *this* on RAW ? Fascinating.
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[1996-11-04-WWF-Raw] Steve Austin-Brian Pillman confrontation
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1996
WWF getting desperate, not understanding what WCW was doing at the time and why they were hot. Plus Pillman wasn't able to work yet, so it led absolutely nowhere. Did Russo write this ? Was he already in the "booking commity" at the time ?- 12 replies
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They did a great job building DDP, and the guy got over like crazy. Now, are the rumours true about DDP and Bischoff and the reasons why DDP finally got his push, no ideas, but you can't deny how over DDP got. Since we're talking about HHH in the other thread, here's the difference, DDP just clicked with the crowd after years of being a lower mid-card heel. His finisher which looked great was a big part why it worked so great. Not since Jake's DDT had a finisher been so sudden. The stunner wasn't over yet at this point in the WWF I believe.
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It is god awful.
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Which is another thing I hate about WWE. Yeah, that wasn't what I meant exactly. I meant he kept things simpler. Less selling ? I ask because although I've seen most of Benoit's big matches from 2000/2001, my viewing of the next years is really scattered to a few matches there and there. That's what I meant. Which, well, sucked. I agree, although Jericho was much more the total package in term of star power. Jericho and Eddie had *it*, Benoit, less so.
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Did Benoit really changed his style that much in the WWF except slowing down like he did with DDP in WCW and doing shitty german suplexes ?
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And why would that be ? Maybe because Jericho had the charisma and mic skills (not to mention in-ring skills) that HHH didn't have despite being shoved down WWF fans throat for years, and years to come afterward. Did the Russo booking helped HHH in 1999, probably not, with the idiotic WM 15 multiple turns which confused the fans. But still, at this point HHH was pushed for a good 2 years and a half, winning most of his feud, getting tons of mic time and matches on PPV. Like John said it took Vince, Foley, Rock and Steph to finally push his ass to a level where the fans accepted him as a top guy. At some point, when the company puts everything behinds you, you're gonna get over no matter what, to a degree. Jericho was getting over from the get go because he had *it*, while HHH never did and never has, no matter how hard Ross would put him over in the booth as this huge star and great wrestler (I don't think I've ever heard a face announcer praise a heel so much).
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Terry pretty much said it again in that interview. Ouch.
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Fair enough. Honestly I don't know ROH's product so I'm not aware if this is all about stopfests or not. Just poiting out that Cornette was a fan of "workrate" matches even back then, as Flair was not exactly the greatest psych even at his peak and was more about go-go-go really. As far as big spots, well, yeah, although Flair for a 80's US wrestler had a pretty large moveset.
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Holy shit... That's sad.
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Add me to the "interested about Curtis Hughes" crowd. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything positive about Hughes. The irony is that Hughes was the butler of HHH for a couple of weeks in January 1997 before something happened again and Hughes was dropped. I believe Laurinitis was grabbed as soon as WCW was bought, I'm not sure when he replaced Ross as talent relation big shot though.
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Well there's a little contradiction there, but Cornette enjoys workers who work, he's a huge Flair fan, and Flair was all about big spots to pop the crowds. And Cornette loves the old-school, wrestling-wrestling atmosphere of ROH's product I guess. But yeah, there's a contradiction. At least it's better than "UFC is what wrestling used to be". I've heard both Cornette and Terry say that before.
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"Masato Tanaka is better than the AJ big 4."
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I am a drama queen, you should know that by now. True, although at the time, when you watched Nitro, you could see who was *the* guy who had star written all over him, and it was Jericho. Flair was gone fro most of 98 which was when Jericho developped into a strong act. I know Goldberg was the big star, but personnally, I hated him and his act back then. I thought it was boring shit, squashing jobbers on Nitro every week with Heenan screaming "THE MAN" was getting on my nerves quite a bit. But hey, what do I know. Jericho and Goldberg really stuck out on Nitro. Because The Rock didn't make silly facial expressions at all. Jericho is a bit hard on himself. Well, having to work against Bob Holly to be considered a good worker is kind of ironic to me. To say the least. The modern WWE style is unwatchable to me actually so... I wonder when things became so micromanaged to the point everyone had to work a certain way. Well, indeed. Of course not, it was a silly joke on my part. The Vince/Jericho relationship seems fascinating.
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So they acknowledge who her parents are, yet give her one of those stupidly obvious "take two celebrity names and put them together" developmental names. Fuck corporate wrestling. It is so ridiculous at this point.
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[1996-04-19-ECW-Plymouth Meeting, PA] Sabu vs 2 Cold Scorpio
El-P replied to Loss's topic in April 1996
Sabu and 2 Cold had a great chemistry together at this point. I like the FanCam perspective too for the reasons Tim mentionned.