KrisZ Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 WWE video cameras also just happened to be there to record it for TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 It's not that implausible. Punk is a big comic fan, the panels are on a rigid public schedule, and whoever was with him whipped out his phone.In theory that could happen, but how likely is it that Punk would honestly crash the party without letting his boss-in-training HHH know about it first? It's much more probable that the whole thing was planned to some extent. The WWE is pretty notorious for being very strict on its employees when it comes to making public appearances, with everything having to be okayed by the office first. And walking about the biggest fan convention in the world with the title belt and a bullhorn would certainly fall into that category, especially when he's interrupting their own official panel. AS AN ANGLE. Not a shoot. WWE video cameras also just happened to be there to record it for TV.WWE records everything for potential "look at how popular WWE was at this huge event" montages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I agree that the schedule is posted, and it's on it: http://www.comic-con.org/cci/cci11_prog_thu.php 11:30-12:30 Mattel and WWE: Past, Present, and Future— Hear from some of the top WWE Superstars of all time as they discuss the storied past, exciting present, and promising future of the company and how it's all celebrated in Mattel's action figure toy line! Get a sneak peek at upcoming products and be the first to hear exciting announcements for the 2012 line. Be on hand as WWE Superstars Triple H, Rey Mysterio a surprise WWE Legend, the WWE creative team, Mattel toy designers Bill Miekina and Derek Handy, and Mattel WWE brand manager Enrique Ruvalcaba present an action-packed Q&A! Room 24ABC On the other hand... Punk's pal taped it and gave it to Punk to upload it. Hell, they were shooting the March To The Door before going into the panel. Noticable in the March To The Door are three people: * Man In A Suit * Two Green Shirts Man In A Suite is right infront of Punk on the March. You see Green Shirt #1 off to the left of the screen stopping wide outside the Door (0:08-0:10). He has short hair, a clipboard/papers and appears to have something on his *back* hip/waist with an antena. Cellphones typically are on the front, and no longer have antenas. Walkie Talkie! Green Shirt #2 stops close by the door, lets Punk pass him and then follows him in (0:14-0:20). He's Large, Dumpy & Bald. Right at 0:20 we get a nice shot of the back/right side of his head. Ear Piece! So we have what at the very least are three Event Staffers spontaneously escorting Punk who showed up with no advance warning to the Mattel & WWE panel... or some combo of Event Staffers or WWE Employees since we don't know if Man In A Suit is Event Staff or Mattel or WWE, and we don't know if the WWE or Mattel likes to send employees to Comic Con in matching slacks & Green Shirts with walkie talkies and ear pieces. Oh... in addition to Video Cam Pal. Let me see if I get this straight. Sometime between Monday and Thursday morning, Punk does this: *phone ringing* VOICE: "Comic Con Security." PUNK: "Hi, my name is Phil Brooks. I going to the WWE & Mattel panel on Thursday morning." VOICE: "Uh... that's good. Enjoy your time at the convention." PUNK: "Well, I'm kind of crashing it as part of a wrestling angle." VOICE: "Well, you can should work that out with the rest of your WWE people and our vendor representatie assigned to support them." PUNK: "No... you don't understand. I don't work for the WWE anymore. I just quit the promotion, and I'm running around the country badmouthing them. I'm going to go rip on one of their executives and video it to toss up on youtube." VOICE: "Uh... look here, young man. We don't want any trouble at our event. We've had a good relationship with the WWE and Mattel over the years and don't need someone causing a problem there." PUNK: "No, no, no... you don't understand. I'm not REALLY fired by the WWE. I'm under contract, but it's a secret. This is part of the angle. They really know I'm showing up. But I need to make it look real. So what I need from you is a couple of guys to clear me into the Con, then help me find the room, and then keep any of the fans from jumping me." VOICE: *sounding annoyed* "Look... if your still with the WWE, work with them. I'm sure the vendor representative assigned to the WWE can help you out." *clicks hanging up* And so Punk works with the WWE to get Man In A Suit and the two Green Shirts to help him with his OMG IT'S A SHOOT ANGLE!!!! stuff. Look: it's a pretty cool piece of Red Meat for The Base. I'm copping to that. And I also copped to it being something that they probably want to get onto Raw next week to keep attention on Punk, rather than just having it a Viral thing that a chunk of the fans won't see. I like it, even if I'm not creaming myself over it. Solid, funny little two minutes. I'm just pointing out the obvious to anyone who watches the video in an observant fashion rather than a OMG PUNK IS FUCKING WITH THE WWE AGAIN!!! fashion. Much like with WWE Production always having the right camera angle on the initial Shoot Promo, there are obvious tells / give aways in this that Punk, the WWE and Trip are working together on this part of the angle. I tossed out the most obvious one first: Punk clearly brought a Videographer with him with instructions to start shooting the March To The Door. I thought it might be overkill to point out more... but there, I've wasted this post going over the first 20 second of the video where we have other obvious give aways of it being well planned out in advance by the WWE. Please don't make me break down the rest of 2:51 to point out the other things. You know... things like, "It sure doesn't seem like they have security insider at these panels in the event a stalker decides to jump a panelist... because if they did and this was a Shoot where No One Was In On It, Comic Con Security would have been dragging Punks ass out of there in 30 second rather than Letting Him Get The Mic." John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 A couple random observations: - Whose phone were they using that it's not HD? That's just weird. - I have a feeling that Vince or Kevin Dunn would be leery about showing this on TV based on such an all-star WWE panel being on one of the smaller halls at the con. Also, John: He's still a celebrity on the con floor, there are a ton of explanations you can give for him having a guard and being able to get into the packed panel while con-goers were stuck outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 It's not that implausible. Punk is a big comic fan, the panels are on a rigid public schedule, and whoever was with him whipped out his phone.In theory that could happen, but how likely is it that Punk would honestly crash the party without letting his boss-in-training HHH know about it first? It's much more probable that the whole thing was planned to some extent. The WWE is pretty notorious for being very strict on its employees when it comes to making public appearances, with everything having to be okayed by the office first. And walking about the biggest fan convention in the world with the title belt and a bullhorn would certainly fall into that category, especially when he's interrupting their own official panel. It doesn't even have to be a WWE Panel. If Punk tried to do that on the Leverage Panel, he wouldn't: * get Man In A Suit helping him * get two Green Shirts running interference for him * avoid getting his ass dragged out of there by Comic Con Security * getting to spend some special time with the SDPD or SD County Sheriff, whichever covers the con It's a nice angle. If Punk was a Great producer/director, he probably would have been hipper to make sure that Man In A Suit and the two Green Shirts weren't on camera so obviously. Then again, if WWE/Punk Fan is going to suspend brainwaves enough to believe think security wouldn't jump in (at an event with some of the biggest entertainment stars in the world appearing every year) when an asshole stalker crashes a panel, then they're going to suspend their brainwaves for everything. Frankly thinking more about it... to Sell the Realism of the Angle, they really needed some rent-a-cops pretending to be SDPD drag Punk out of there and Punk's Videographer "hide" the camera in his pocket (to make sure the SDPD doesn't take the film since it's something that a lot of Law Enforcement are starting to do to avoid the risk of being shown potentially roughing someone up). Then once he "got out of jail", Punk could cut a youtube promo on how the WWE doesn't want him to speak out, and even sicked the cops on him. Great rebel shit: fighting the Authority of Vince, Trip and the Law. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 He brought a videographer? People record things on smartphones. All the time. All WWE has to say is they have some interesting fan footage, err, footage from the WWE Universe, from this past week at Comic Con. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Also, John: He's still a celebrity on the con floor, there are a ton of explanations you can give for him having a guard and being able to get into the packed panel while con-goers were stuck outside. Oh christ... please don't tell me that you're buying this was a real crashing and not just a good addition to the angle that Punk _and_ the WWE are working together on. They gave him three escorts specifically to the room where the WWE panel was going on. The set up in security positions: (i) straight outside the door & wide, and (ii) outside the door & following in. Two lug head event security guys (look at those two dumpy/dorky fuckers... those aren't the pair they've give Robert Downey if he was a little worried about fans). In addition, at least one higher level guy either in security or event staffing or WWE staffing or Mattel staffing... because dudes just don't wander around suits like that at Comic Con as casual wear to support their good friend Punk find a room to crash. And they did this on the fly? Punk just shows up today and says he needs security and they give it to him? With all the other shit Comic Con Security has to deal with as a mass of humanity drops down on SD... they've got time on the fly to drop what they're doing to peel off 2-3 security guys to help a C-Level celeb that probably the Heads of Security has never heard of crash the panel of two valued *Vendor's*? Come on... those likely weren't even security assigned just to Punk. The problem were part of the team assigned to supporting all of the WWE, and once Trip and Rey were safely escorted to the panel, a pair peeled off to where they had Punk stashed so that he could make his March To The Door. It's a nice, decently scripted angle. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Did you read anything I wrote earlier? I'm talking about the internal logic as a reality-fueled wrestling angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 He brought a videographer? People record things on smartphones. All the time. The one linked to above was posted on "ThisIsCMPunk's Channel" youtube account. It was shot by someone who comes down the hallway with Punk and is let in by security with Punk. He doesn't rush close to Punk like the Fans do. He doesn't hold up the camera high like the Fans do. Unlike the Fans, Video Guy leaves _with_ Punk... and then at some point very soon after the Crashing gives transfers the video to Punk so that Punk can upload it (or uploads it for him since he has keys to Punk's youtube account). I use the term Videographer as a joke to me: Punk's Good Buddy That He Brought Along To Shoot The Crash It's possible that Punk's Good Buddy could be Colt (though from the height of the camera, probably not). Could be his girlfriend/boyfriend/mom/brother/sister/dad/cousin. It could be someone who works for the WWE. Pick your fantasy on that one. But clearly the Videographer / Punk Good Buddy was part of the angle, specifically there to shoot it for Punk and/or the WWE. Since it's clear that the WWE was part of the Crash planning. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Of course he was part of the angle. Like Bix, I'm talking about the internal logic of the angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Did you read anything I wrote earlier? I'm talking about the internal logic as a reality-fueled wrestling angle. Wasn't clear. You were kind of Meltzeresque in walking a fine line between whether it was real or fake. But I'm glad to see we agree: It was a nice worked angle that the WWE was in on. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Of course he was part of the angle. Like Bix, I'm talking about the internal logic of the angle. From an internal logic standpoint, to Sell The Shootiness, the Videographer needs to act more like a fan. i.e run infront of Punk further down the hallway so that you could get a face shot. Then _talk_ on camera while coming down the hallway: FANBOY: "Hey... I think that's Punk. Holly shit... It's Punk!" *runs infront of Punk, backing up as Punk keeps moving foward down the hall* FANBOY: "Punk! I love what you're doing!" PUNK: "Thanks. You're going to love what's going to happen in a two minute. Slide on behind me, act like you're with me and keep the video rolling." FANBOY: "Oh... okay... COOL!" *fanboy follows after Punk, you hear his voice occassionally on how cool this is* FANBOY: "Oh my good... Punk's crashing the WWE panel... Oh my god!!!" *fanboy is quite when Punk cuts the promo* *fanboy starts talking again when Punk leaves... catches up to Punk, who stops outside and turns to fanboy* PUNK: "Hey kid... did you get that all?" FANBOY: "Yeah. It ruled!" PUNK: "Why don't you send it to me so I can put it up on my youtube account. Other people should seen this. I'll give you a Best In The World t-shit." *Punk reaching into his backpack for a shirt* FANBOY: "Holy shit... yeah, I can send it to you." *camera cuts out* Something along those lines, with Punk of course putting his own stuff in his own words. That's internal logic. Because if any of you have see fancams on youtube, they aren't remotely as "professional" as that one in the sense of a Fan not saying a damn thing when coming across a celeb in public. It's a nice angle. It's probably best that we don't think too much about the Internal Logic of the obvious non-shooty elements of it because they just give away that it wasn't a shot. We're better off treating this like the Beer Truck: good old implausible pro wrestling bullshit that still fun. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Jacobi Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 UFC is a real sport. People watch real sports live and they're more likely to be watched in large groups that could split the price. Pro wrestling is fiction. Watching live matters a lot less. Once UFC got momentum, it as inevitable. Sure, they're competing for PPV dollars but there are different elements at play in spending habits. This reasoning is flawed. The vast majority of casual wrestling fans are watching to 'see what happens', and while no, it's not real, it's still presented as competition and people are watching to see who wins on the night of a PPV, rather than simply waiting for RAW the next night, During the boom period, WWF PPV's were treated incredibly similar to UFC ones today, people would go to someone's house, chip in and watch. The spending habits were exactly the same. Get a group of guys together, drink beer, order pizza and watch a 3 hour PPV Also, it wasn't just PPV's, the Rutgers student center was packed for RAW in the '99-00 era. -Paul Jacobi- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I would argue results not really mattering consistently the way they did at one time is the major factor in PPV decline. It's really hard to sell a PPV on great matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollinger. Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Why is this being talked about like anyone here thinks it's a shoot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Why is this being talked about like anyone here thinks it's a shoot? Shhh. If you point that out, you get shouted down line you're some big dummy. I personally look forward to every development in this angle dissected Zapruder style by jdw to make sure he beats it into everyone's cerebellum that this in fact is a worky work work and not a shooty shoot shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 I finally saw the match today. It occurred to me that this was Punk's "Austin at WM 13" moment. He came in as the de facto face due to the match being in Chicago. But then they really worked the match with Punk as the face. He never did anything outright heelish. It just looked like this will be the match that could make him a top-level face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 The PWG board is kind of funny with some hoping Punk comes up from Comic Con to show up at the card tonight. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 The PWG board is kind of funny with some hoping Punk comes up from Comic Con to show up at the card tonight. John Did you read what Bryan Alverez wrote: Davey Richards vs. Roderick Strong for the ROH Title has been signed for the first Sinclair TV tapings in Chicago on August 13th. An interesting note. ROH sources across the board insist there have been absolutely no talks between WWE and ROH about shooting any sort of angle involving CM Punk. What is interesting about this, as Todd and I talked about on yesterday's Figure Four Daily, is that Punk mentioned ROH on WWE television, meaning if he's not back on WWE TV as a regular character by the 13th then it's almost guaranteed that the ROH crowd in Chicago is going to expect him to be there and be chanting his name, perhaps throughout the evening. I don't want to use the term "victim" here in terms of ROH because that's probably a terrible word to use, but it would certainly suck for them to have "CM PUNK!" chants throughout their tapings due to something that they had absolutely nothing to do with at all. And I'm not blaming WWE either, because I can pretty much assure you that there was no conspiracy or plan to mess with ROH when Punk dropped that reference. It's just a situation that has suddenly become kind of strange. http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-sto...edule-tons-more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Yeah, that would suck for ROH - especially the workers on the card itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Apparently, CM Punk is at the AAW Pro show tonight: http://www.pinfallmagazine.com/2011/07/pun...indy-scene-aaw/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Odds on Bryan being worked by Cary Silkin/Jim Cornette/Delirious about 50/50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Punk AAW tweets/photo/video link: http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/7/23/229...ow-in-berwyn-il Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollinger. Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Shit, I knew I should have gone to AAW. Was hoping he'd be at the HOF show last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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