MJH Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 I'm calling bullshit on that would-be angle, too. It sounds exactly like something someone would make up using peoples' idea of HHH/McMahons etc. There's no way they'd've Spirit-Squaded Punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 It's the WWE. Why is it beyond the possiblity that was what they were planning? What happened to Nexus last year? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawren Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 I agree, it's completely unbelievable that HHH would squash someone, especially a rising star. Oh sure, he did it in the early-mid-late 00's, but not in 2011! Seriously, if they had 6 drafts, I 100% believe that was one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 They went through six Raw scripts, according to (the apparently unreliable) Dave. Is it that hard to believe one of them featured HHH beating up Punk? This is the company that had Cena beat up Rock the week before Mania. They don't know the value of refraining from physical angles. That they wouldn't immediately recognize that such a thing would hurt Punk's heat isn't unthinkable. They didn't even do the angle, they just considered it. That's impossible? You guys really think Dave just makes shit up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Interesting that HHH/Punk was at one point planned for SummerSlam (also in the WON). I would have figured the plan was to be keep HHH out of the ring for a while in this role. Also, to kind of defend the HHH/Punk angle that was proposed, it sounds like the idea was to screw Punk out of the belt to keep him a babyface and build towards HHH going heel. I think that Punk beating a heel HHH would help him a lot and would be another way to play to both the casual and internet audience, but I'm pretty skeptical about that happening. This was something that was also apparently planned as a long-term thing at one point. I'm trying to make sense out of Dave's headline story about the booking now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 It's not the Triple H part that is so illogical we're not believing it, it's that Del Rio would cash in against Punk. Why would he cash in for what was effectively a shot at the tournament winner or whoever beat him instead of waiting for the title situation to be resolved before cashing in? They had given no legitimacy to Punk's title claim. Even by the standards of bad WWE booking it makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 I don't think Dave makes shit up. I think Dave has sources and his sources aren't always right or the best informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 The WWE creates its own reality. If they had gone through with the HHH pedigrees Punk scenario, the tournament would have simply been stricken from the books, just like Del Rio's #1 contendership was stricken after Punk was reinstated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 The point of the tournament, like Del Rio cashing in, would be to bring the title back to WWE. What does Triple H care? They crowned a new champion. Job done. Why would this be happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Why even create a second title that (i) changed hands instantly, and (ii) will be merged out of existance at SummerSlam if it's Punk vs Cena? This is the WWE. Not a lot of it makes sense, and they change their minds left and right. Since he's more sourced in, perhaps MKJ can do a Timeline of all the Plans they've had going back to the Shoot Promo. It would be interesting to see how many times The Plan has changed. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Would Punk of even agreed to that? It seems he has a lot more leverage now than he did last month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 The tournament was Vince's idea. For all we know, HHH views Punk as the legitimate champion and has getting the belt off him as his top priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 I would guess that the Hunter taking over thing has been planned for a while now. This entire Punk thing getting over has just been a spanner in the works of that. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't see it as a nuisance to deal with. It makes no sense unless Del Rio replaces Punk as the lineal champion to Cena or Rey's interim champion for Summerslam, but even then, why cash in on Punk instead of the other champion? Because he was unconscious after getting pedigreed? Especially if the rest of the show stayed mostly the same and Del Rio had already failed to cash in on a prone Rey who recovered too quickly? If I have to choose between cashing in on the conscious, recognized but less legitimate champion or the unconscious, not quite as recognized but more legitimate one, I'd probably choose the latter if I was a heel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 I don't think Dave makes shit up. I think Dave has sources and his sources aren't always right or the best informed. It's probably worth adding "or the most honest or the least delusional" to the end of that sentence. I also think it's pretty irrelevant what the plan was at different points during the week, what matters is what they ended up doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 I would guess that the Hunter taking over thing has been planned for a while now. This entire Punk thing getting over has just been a spanner in the works of that. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't see it as a nuisance to deal with. It makes no sense unless Del Rio replaces Punk as the lineal champion to Cena or Rey's interim champion for Summerslam, but even then, why cash in on Punk instead of the other champion? Because he was unconscious after getting pedigreed? Especially if the rest of the show stayed mostly the same and Del Rio had already failed to cash in on a prone Rey who recovered too quickly? If I have to choose between cashing in on the conscious, recognized but less legitimate champion or the unconscious, not quite as recognized but more legitimate one, I'd probably choose the latter if I was a heel? Because he has a very real chance of not actually being the champion and having wasted his contract. Plus, the implication was that HHH would do it so that Del Rio could cash in, when he had no reason to need Del Rio to cash in, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 I would guess that the Hunter taking over thing has been planned for a while now. This entire Punk thing getting over has just been a spanner in the works of that. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't see it as a nuisance to deal with. It makes no sense unless Del Rio replaces Punk as the lineal champion to Cena or Rey's interim champion for Summerslam, but even then, why cash in on Punk instead of the other champion? Because he was unconscious after getting pedigreed? Especially if the rest of the show stayed mostly the same and Del Rio had already failed to cash in on a prone Rey who recovered too quickly? If I have to choose between cashing in on the conscious, recognized but less legitimate champion or the unconscious, not quite as recognized but more legitimate one, I'd probably choose the latter if I was a heel? Because he has a very real chance of not actually being the champion and having wasted his contract. Plus, the implication was that HHH would do it so that Del Rio could cash in, when he had no reason to need Del Rio to cash in, I think we could, without a very far stretch, show how Vince was willing to bend over backwards for Punk, just on the THOUGHT he might have the title and be able to leave for it, and figure that beating Punk for it would be very, very good for his career. Add in the fact that ADR stated that the MITB case didn't matter, that his destiny was the title, and it's probably within his character to figure this would take him closer and give him leverage one way or another. Plus, if Punk WASN'T resigned and considered champion, then cashing the MITB case wouldn't count, because it wouldn't be a sanctioned WWE title match. He had nothing to lose and plenty to gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 HHH could have simply ordered Del Rio to cash in like Vince did at the PPV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 PWTorch: WWE Raw on Monday, July 25 scored a 3.20 rating, essentially flat with a 3.22 rating on July 18. Raw averaged 4.81 million viewers, down from 4.84 million viewers last week. This week's Raw was dragged down by the first hour, which averaged 4.49 million viewers against President Obama's speech. The second hour then increased to an average of 5.13 million viewers, which was up 145,000 viewers compared to last week's second hour. Despite the flat overall rating, Raw scored its highest males 18-49 rating since May 23 and highest teen male rating since June 13. On cable TV Monday night, Raw ranked #6 behind the standard Monday night competition from History Channel, including "Pawn Stars," which out-rated Raw in males 18-34 and males 18-49. I suspect that this coming Raw will have a better rating now that Punk is being advertised for his returning statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 Next week, Punk pawns his WWE championship. Raw draws a 6.5! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 That'd be a nice cross-over. Funny how people keep calling it the spinner belt when that particular function of it has been done away with for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 Funny how people keep calling it the spinner belt when that particular function of it has been done away with for awhile. What other name should they call it? The Bling Belt? The name sticks whether it actually spins now or not. I hoped that this angle would finally push them into getting rid of that goddamn hideous thing and bringing back a more classic style of championship belt, but alas the opportunity seems to have passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 It's a better name than Winged Eagle. Aren't eagles winged by definition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlk23 Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 Results from Peoria, Illinois last night as Punk and Cena had their first match since MITB * WWE Champion John Cena vs. WWE Champion CM Punk ended in no contest as Alberto Del Rio came out and took out Punk. Punk ended up giving Del Rio the GTS and Cena hit him with the Attitude Adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Hmm. Interesting that the finish for a one-sided interference was a no-contest. Does del Rio get to finally realize his destiny (after saying something along those lines for what, 7-8 months?) come SummerSlam because he has no other purpose interfering if he isn't. Overall, the WWE is pulling a TNA a la Samoa Joe on del Rio, but under slightly different circumstances, which will ultimately lead to the same conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 You've probably thought about it more than they have if the last few weeks are any indication. My prediction: They have no idea at this point what they are doing for a finish at Summerslam and will probably decide as close to the show as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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