Matt D Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 No, no. When we talk about Rotunda, we actually mean it. That's not ribbing. (Though I still think Bossman has better WWF output then Teddy. That's not the point). I will admit to loving the IRS tax tips stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Jack Brisco vs. Bobby Heenan? Fuck, that must have been hillarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Note for James: Gene Lewis was Central States's "Ace" at this point (lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 The those 16,000-18,000 Checkerdome shows from 1981 upto and including the Mucnick retirement show are really impressive when you consider the size of St. Louis as a market compared to, say, New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 57Talk.com is back up again with new interviews and some of the old ones are up there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 I have almost all of the originals if anyone still needs them or cant find them... Where is Lewin Part 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 The 2 dropbox accounts set up in this thread are still active. Do you have any of the interviews that aren't in them, Smack2k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted July 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I've listened to the Abdullah pt. 1 and Thunderbolt interviews. Very entertaining. Gary was kind of annoying on the Thunderbolt one, and Thunderbolt lived up to his reputation......but it was a listen listening to Dave Drayson right now, who I'd never actually heard of before Wanted to listen to Mark Lewin pt. 2 2014 but couldn't find pt. 1. There's an 'adult' section now where Gary did an interview with a pornstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I remember loving 57talk.com when I first heard about it and buying into Gary's bullshit about being the best interviewer around. Until you listen to more than 2 or 3 of them and realize he would always ask everyone the same stupid questions about Vince McMahon and the WWF to give himself a chance to do his Vince/WWF rants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claw64 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 . 2: After flipping out on James "clawmaster" Zordani , he constantly begged him for more "booking sheets" to allow him to do more shows. James more or less told him to fuck off politely, and that led to "my boss is making me take the site down". *edit* Holy shit, can't believe I forgot what khawk mentioned. Any constructive criticism led to a beach worth of sand coming from his vagina. After he asked for feedback, mind you. Here are parts of Gary Cubeta's melt down. ---------------- I know you guys hate the shows and especially me, but just one thing I would like to mention ... I never had an issue with Clawmaster ... He was VERY helpful to us and was fully credited on our site as Master of Research ... Without him the shows would never have reached the level they did ... My problem was with Crimson Mask from the other site ... Somehow there was confusion and you guys thought we had turned on you, which we hadn't ... I've known a lot of guys like Barry and Greg on this site for over 30 years (granted more off than on) and I have a lot of respect for them. Not so crazy about the other site though ... My idea from day one was to take the great information you provide here and put it into audio form with the wrestlers giving their real time comments ... I still think it is a good idea, but very difficult to do without the help ... Now you can continue the pummelling of yours truly. ---------------------------- I've got 12 more days From: gary cubeta To: [email protected] to convince you tel help us or the shows are done and the old shows have to come down the boss told me that if we can't get quality new material up by 12-31-2010, no mas we are using 70% of our server space (the show files are so large) ... he said he would fund our own seperate page if we could do fresh shows that weren't "repeats" of the old shows ... the only way to do that is with the results ... i just don't have enough working history of any of this, to keep it fresh I am uploading 12 new fresh shows (have been working on them all this month), why don't you listen and see if the show is worth saving ... if not, no problem ... i'm fine either way, but i do enjoy giving the guys the platform to talk ... they get a big kick out of it and i enjoy it to ... obviously, i don't make a dime off the show ... take care =) ... gary ------------------------ That's just two parts of the melt down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 I've been listening to the Buck Robley shows, 30 minutes into the third show now. I can't decide if I like him or not. He's one of these guys who thinks everything he did was the best thing ever. His idea that promoters were scared to put him on TV because he'd be so over is patently ridiculous, and it doesn't seem to occur to him that it's because they didn't want a booker pushing himself. A few points of irritation: - He is very strong about the need for promoters to let certain people be beat. He wanted Tommy Rich beat in Georgia, he wanted the Von Erichs beat in Texas. All well and good and his logic is perfectly sound BUT why's he then so insistant that Brody's shoulders don't go down? I don't get that at all, it's like a direct contradiction. One rule for everyone else, and another for Brody. The fact that he seems completely blind to it is annoying. - On that note, Brody was obviously an asshole to The Funks in Japan. Dory put him over and then he didn't return the favour. I can understand why Terry ended up punching Robley on the plane. Brody is so important he can't lay down for the fucking Funks in Japan? - I don't get why he keeps going on about how he beat the shit out of Tommy Rich on TV. He's obviously proud of it, but what does it prove? The punchline -- and he tells it about 20 times -- is that Barnett loved it, but Solie was outraged, and he ended up drawing a big gate at the Omni with Abby vs. Brody on top, but this is in some way evidence that he was right to do that to Rich on TV. I don't get it, doesn't marry up at all. Robley is full of these logical fallacies. - I think he was unreasonably harsh to Fritz after Mike von Erich was found dead. His wife is there crying, and Fritz wants to put on a double memorial show for his two dead sons, and Robley cusses him out? Even the normally sycophantic Gary Cubeta is like "dude, WTF!". Robley tries to explain this away by Fritz seemingly not caring and focusing on business, but I think it's a real lack of empathy to cuss out a guy whose son has just died. I mean, so what if the memorial show didn't draw, that made me really think that Buck wasn't a nice guy. - He wants to take a lot of credit for a lot of things, but everyone else is an idiot who doesn't know what they are doing. If you listen to Robley, he's the brains behind Brody, everything The Freebirds ever did, Watts, and St. Louis. He rates himself as being some sort of creative genius. I'm sure he was a good booker, but his completely lack of modesty or perspective is starting to grate. Just my impressions so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 More thoughts from the rest of part 3: - The story about Robley and Brody screwing Flair in St. Louis and holding up the NWA title is basically disgraceful. I don't see how Buck can justify that sort of behaviour at all. Okay, sure, Giegel was short-changing him on the payments and I don't doubt that, but don't go into business for yourself when the NWA title is involved. What the fuck? No respect for that sort of behaviour at all. - I just can't understand why Robley went back to book for Colon when Gonzalez killed his best friend. His explaination of that -- that he wanted to hear Gonzalez's side of the story and possibly to get revenge -- is just total BS. I think the truth is just that he wanted to feel useful and when Colon wanted a favour wanted to go in there as the big man, OR he just needed the cash and was too proud to admit it. Either way, I lost even more respect for him when he told that story. He lost me with that fifty minutes or so. I'll listen to the others, but I definitely don't like Robley much as a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Buck talking about his time in Kansas City is the best part of those interviews to me as he attempts to sell the idea that he could have made Central F'N States a hot promotion if they'd just given him more leeway/time. In 1984 no less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 What's funny about that too is that he makes out that he's the most in-demand booker pretty much ever, and yet winds up booking Central States, the armpit of the NWA. He claims that on the back of that "hot" run in Kansas everyone wanted a piece of him, but he ends up booking Jerry Blackwell's minor league indy Atlanta promotion and Puerto Rico after the death of Brody. My impression is that he basically burnt his bridges with all the major places and people and if the story with Brody holding up the belt is true, surely would have been blackballed after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 There was some talk about the Brody/Flair title incident on Classics around the time of the original interview and the people over there seemed to think that was a BS story in the first place. I had certainly never heard of it before that interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 After four shows, I'm giving Robley a rest now, so been listening to the Bill Apter one. It's interesting that they get into a debate. Apter thinks that Vince revolutionised wrestling by giving the fans "an innovative product that they hadn't seen before" and "creating a new type of fan". Gary Cubeta disagreed and argued that what Vince had was the national TV. Sound familar? Apter's argument hit the same points as my own did: marketing, modernising the product, packaging of stars etc. etc. Cubeta did concede later though that Vince is "unquestionably the most creative individual in the history of wrestling". Apter was a good guest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I agree with both points. No marketing/innovation + national TV = AWA. Marketing/Innovation + Local TV = WCCW or Memphis(not the best example, but I think you get the idea). Marketing/Innovation + National TV = WWF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Some people think Vince didn't innovate anything. Personally, I think that's seriously blinkered verging on total idiocy, but they do exist and post on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 If you go to Cubeta's new site, hidden away there are some Ivan Koloff booking sheets, he goes through the sheets for 1981 JCP, so of particular interest to anyone who has been following the Titans Xtra 81 roster shows. Ivan is a real nice guy, honest and humble -- unusual in wrestling. Really seems like he was top heel there in 81 because he beats Steamboat for the Mid-Atlantic title and works on top often with Piper in the semi-main. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Piper was the top heel...Ivan was #2 singles wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Seems like at the start of the year, Ivan was in the mains and Piper in the semi-mains and on the later end of the year they switched. I'm watching a bunch of 81 Mid-Atlantic soon. I'm sure Piper got more mic time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Ivan actually feuded with Iron Sheik in a rare heel vs. heel feud for the early part of the year while Piper leapfrogged Valentine as the lead singles heel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Oh yeah, that's right, he did talk about that too. Very weird to have Iron Sheik vs. Ivan. How many heel vs. heel feuds are there period? I can remember Martel vs. Michaels from 92. Beyond that I can't think of many. There are some examples involving Flair like him vs. Nikita in 85, where he's de facto face. Honestly can't think of too many others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Flair/Nikita wasn't a heel vs. heel feud because while Flair played heel on TBS he was a mega face on other JCP programming and house shows. Freebirds vs. Devastation Inc. in WCCW in 1984 was a big one. Andersons vs. Flair/Valentine in JCP in 1977 was huge as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Would we count Jake vs. Savage briefly before both of them turned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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