ohtani's jacket Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 It's not only WWE that has this problem with all the young wrestlers looking alike. CMLL has been that way for years now and Japan isn't much better.
Loss Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Posted January 31, 2012 He's still extremely involved. He's just not the Vince he used to be.
JerryvonKramer Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 Question: what is Vince's personal level of involvement these days? Was there a moment where he stepped back? Just wondering how all this shit could happen on his watch that's all. He's the man who CREATED many of the things we're talking about.
Loss Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Posted January 31, 2012 He's old and has lost his touch. He also stopped doing things for business at a certain point and started using TV to bury people for kicks and work out his own psychological issues. Sadly, even with all his baggage, he is still way better than any of the people surrounding him.
JerryvonKramer Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 There are things I don't get though. Â Why the lurch towards being so much more corporate? Â Why the stifling scripting? Â Why the blandness? Â Is this all coming from Vince? He was still fully involved personally in the late 90s, is he still? I mean he's known for being very hands on, but there's very little of his personality in today's product.
Sean Liska Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 He's almost 70 and has Punk and Danielson as his champs. He's doing a better job staying in touch than many promoters before him.
Al Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 It strikes me just how difficult it is to micro-manage a company as huge as WWE.
Matt D Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 He's old and has lost his touch. He also stopped doing things for business at a certain point and started using TV to bury people for kicks and work out his own psychological issues. Sadly, even with all his baggage, he is still way better than any of the people surrounding him. He did buy his competition.
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 His focus now is on earning as much respectability and as many mainstream accolades as possible for his company, moreso than creating the most profitable wrestling company he can (though if they were losing money that might change). Those "Be a STAR" promos probably mean a lot more to him that getting a 3.8 rating for Raw.
FLIK Posted February 2, 2012 Report Posted February 2, 2012 There are things I don't get though. Â Why the stifling scripting? Â Why the blandness? Â Is this all coming from Vince? He was still fully involved personally in the late 90s, is he still? I mean he's known for being very hands on, but there's very little of his personality in today's product. From what i've heard a lot of ppl say you can blame a lot of the change on Steph getting made head of creative in the early 2000's
El-P Posted February 2, 2012 Report Posted February 2, 2012 Apparently Stephy has her own idea of what a wrestler should look like. Didn't she get rid of Ariel because she doesn't look like your stereotypical diva ?
Sean Liska Posted February 2, 2012 Report Posted February 2, 2012 Again, with Punk and Danielson as the champs, how rigid can they be about body types? Â I do agree that the over-scripted feel of the show is a problem. I think it goes back to Vince being a control freak. The Attitude era was unique in that way for him, because he's always been a perfectionist. The old SNME shows were way scripted and produced.
cm funk Posted February 3, 2012 Report Posted February 3, 2012 One thing that really bothers me about modern WWE is how everybody wears their merchandise at all times. I know why they do it, but it makes most of the guys look like clowns. Zack Ryder looks absolutely ridiculous for example. Â Did this start with Austin, Rock and DX? It seemed like that was the time where anybody who had a shirt had to start wearing it to the ring and I don't remember it being so pervasive before that.
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 3, 2012 Report Posted February 3, 2012 One thing that really bothers me about modern WWE is how everybody wears their merchandise at all times. I know why they do it, but it makes most of the guys look like clowns. Zack Ryder looks absolutely ridiculous for example. Â Did this start with Austin, Rock and DX? It seemed like that was the time where anybody who had a shirt had to start wearing it to the ring and I don't remember it being so pervasive before that. Well with Zach, it's part of his gimmick. I don't like it when Del Rio wears his T Shirt, though. It'd make more sense if he made Ricardo hold it up or wear it over his tux.
FLIK Posted February 3, 2012 Report Posted February 3, 2012 Apparently Stephy has her own idea of what a wrestler should look like. Didn't she get rid of Ariel because she doesn't look like your stereotypical diva ? Yeah I remember hearing that. On a similar note, don't remember which but on one of the billion podcast ex WWE writers have done one guy mentioned that it got pitched to bring in Daffney once as well and Vince was perplexed that anyone could find her attractive at all.
ohtani's jacket Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 Randy Orton vs. Christian from Over the Limit 5/22/11 was an excellent match from two workers I've never really cared for. Orton in particular was awesome.
NintendoLogic Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 Vince's bewilderment at the idea of finding a certain type of woman attractive is especially amusing given his track record of hiring Divas with rather, ahem, mannish features.
ohtani's jacket Posted February 5, 2012 Report Posted February 5, 2012 CM Punk vs. Cena from Money In The Bank was another strong match. I think you're losing this one, Jerome.
Chess Knight Posted February 5, 2012 Report Posted February 5, 2012 Randy Orton vs. Christian from Over the Limit 5/22/11 was an excellent match from two workers I've never really cared for. Orton in particular was awesome. Â CM Punk vs. Cena from Money In The Bank was another strong match. I think you're losing this one, Jerome. Which did you think was better, out of curiosity?
Dylan Waco Posted February 5, 2012 Report Posted February 5, 2012 I'm actually fairly shocked that OJ thought so highly of Orton v. Christian
ohtani's jacket Posted February 5, 2012 Report Posted February 5, 2012 I liked the work better in Christian/Orton, but I thought it needed another four minutes or so to be a truly great match. It seemed like they were just getting into the stretch run when the match ended but that may have been a result of the finish being clean. Cena/Punk was more of a main event spectacle, had the hot hometown crowd and all the BS with Vince was well laid out, but there were some weak periods because they were going long-ish. Modern WWE is really heavy on counters and the longer the go the more of those type of spots they do, but compared to a lot of WWE stuff I've watched both these matches felt less telegraphed.
Dylan Waco Posted February 5, 2012 Report Posted February 5, 2012 That's interesting because while I liked the Christian/Orton series, I thought they were among the most telegraphed/scripted looking "good" WWE matches of the last decade
ohtani's jacket Posted February 5, 2012 Report Posted February 5, 2012 I only saw the one Christian/Orton match, but the counters seemed to happen faster and smoother than I expected. The last Orton match I watched before this one was his 2006 match against Mysterio Jr. that was really spot sequence heavy. Another thing that struck me was the commentating. It was far from great, but an improvement over Cole trying to put over how emotional everything was.
El-P Posted February 5, 2012 Report Posted February 5, 2012 CM Punk vs. Cena from Money In The Bank was another strong match. I think you're losing this one, Jerome. I wasn't impressed by the SummerSlam match.
NintendoLogic Posted February 5, 2012 Report Posted February 5, 2012 The Summerslam match was pretty good, but MITB was much better.
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