Strummer Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 holy shit that was quite the promo by AJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Maria on Twitter is dropping bombs on the Bellas (she's said they blocked her coming back to WWE) by calling them the company fluffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Big Show is really fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Big Show is really fantastic. He tried, but that whole roster crushed my little girls faith in humanity so fuck them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Heh... that's when wrestling is at its best... when it crushes a little kid's dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 That segment was awesome, but they really should have had William Regal out there front and center doing his best disgusted face at the shenanigans he's being forced to witness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 It's been a while that an angle has been this polarizing online. Bunch of people seem to hate it and think Bryan is being buried (and the roster are pussies) while others can't wait for the revolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I think the angle is great for Bryan, but terrible for everyone else Edit: Also I agree with Will's general sentiments, but I'm not sure you want children calling the entire roster wimps and cowards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I think the thinking that Bryan is being buried stems from the general idea of an angle like this being the heel gets his comeuppance in the end. HHH being the heel in this story has a lot of people thinking this won't happen. I don't really think it will happen that way, but I understand that Hunter's track record doesn't inspire confidence. After Vince, he has to be the most fascinating psychological case study in wrestling. Has there been anyone else in history who has literally everything he could want but is still massively insecure? Its like he could take over the WWE and make it a trillion dollar industry, but it would still bug him that Rock got more cheers than him on some random meaningless house show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 They teased a Legacy breakup and had Ted wrestle Orton on Raw once. He showed a nice babyface fire in that match. Would've been perfect as a white-bread 80's face. Nice dropkick, etc. They put him back with Orton quickly, and he kinda stagnated from there. Yeah, that was pretty much the moment DiBiase was dead in the water, where they really dropped the ball. They built him up for months to turn babyface against Orton, and the crowd was responding and ready to cheer for him when the moment actually happened.....then they didn't pull the trigger. Evolution kind of limped on for a bit after that and petered out, I don't even remember how it ended. Then he was miscast as Million $ Man 2K, which was horrible casting because he was a devoted christian husband and had zero chemistry with Maryse, who was in a relationship with Miz at the time (they are since married, and they had teased Miz and Maryse on screen in like a handful of segments when Miz was champ and they had tangible on screen chemistry, but never ran with it)....Ted with Maryse was like anti on screen chemistry, they both looked like they were going through the motions, felt like one of those things they booked as a rib on Ted for being a straight family man, and Miz for bagging a hot chick, and Maryse for being a hot chick shacking up with Miz. The crowds never bought Ted with Maryse or doing his father's gimmick. At a certain point when you screw things up for a guy on TV so bad, it's almost impossible to bring him back and get him over. I thought they were holding him off TV so long just to wash the stink off how bad they'd screwed him up, and had a plan to eventually bring him back, but I guess he was tired of waiting. Ted is just a victim of bad WWE booking IMO. I thought he was really talented and had a ton of potential, definitely as a babyface. I hope his passion for the business isn't totally gone, because it's a real waste of a good young talent. It sounds cliche, but if he went to New Japan he could probably totally reinvent himself and have WWE begging for him to come back in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I kinda felt sorry for Ted Jr. watching his youtube vid. I listened to that DiBiase intereview with Gary Cubeta recently, which was recorded just as he was breaking through and Ted was talking about how he was told by Vince and others that he destined for a megapush, headlining Wrestlemania and all the rest of it. What happened? I really think they saddled him with the legacy of his dad a little bit too much in his various pushes. The Million Dollar Man 2k deal was horrible. He might as well have been coming out with a massive sign stuck to his forehead saying "I am not my dad and I'll never be as good as him, ever". The posse stuff is just horrible too. I agree with the assessment that he'd have been best as a white meat babyface. You can see what a sincere guy he is in that video he posted -- that's what they need to tap into from him. It may take going to Japan or whatever for him to step out from under the shadow of his father though, I don't think that had anything to do with Ted Sr. either, it's just that on TV they barely gave him room to breathe without making sure that it loomed large over him. I understand why for the initial rub, but after a few years it was suffocating for him. Beyond all of that, he was buried. Look how many times he unsuccessfully bid to be IC champ on various PPVs. Completely wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 holy shit that was quite the promo by AJI usually like the Bellas act, but holy fuck was their shrieking during that promo fucking lame. I liked how Cole after the promo said something about AJ being jealous of not getting the attention that the Divas show gals have, but JBL was all, "There's some truth" in the promo. edit: Holy fuck, that Wyatt promo and video was fucking AWESOME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 They teased a Legacy breakup and had Ted wrestle Orton on Raw once. He showed a nice babyface fire in that match. Would've been perfect as a white-bread 80's face. Nice dropkick, etc. They put him back with Orton quickly, and he kinda stagnated from there. Yeah, that was pretty much the moment DiBiase was dead in the water, where they really dropped the ball. They built him up for months to turn babyface against Orton, and the crowd was responding and ready to cheer for him when the moment actually happened.....then they didn't pull the trigger. Evolution kind of limped on for a bit after that and petered out, I don't even remember how it ended. This is patently false. The Ted vs Orton "match" was only the second thing that had ever slightly hinted at a Ted turn. The first being the week before when Ted surprised Orton by pinning him in the main event clusterf*ck for...something or other, which led to the "match" as Ted's punishment. The crowd responded to it really well, because the match itself was brilliant and tremendously well worked, but it came out of absolutely nowhere at the time. If Ted was actually getting a babyface push, that would have been the beginning, not the culmination of it. And things went back to normal the next week so in actual fact he got no babyface push at all. People assumed that he would mainly because he was in the Marine 2 movie and was always pegged as the "future star" of the team ahead of Cody, so everyone assumed the plan was to split Ted from the group by the end of 2009 when the movie came out. But the reality is, they never even bothered. FYI, Legacy limped on as Orton's lackeys for a couple more months, until Ted pinned Orton in the Chamber and then Orton was the one who turned babyface against the both of them, leading to the triple threat at Mania 26. So we ended up with face Orton, Million Dollar Ted and Dashing Cody by the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 holy shit that was quite the promo by AJI usually like the Bellas act, but holy fuck was their shrieking during that promo fucking lame. I liked how Cole after the promo said something about AJ being jealous of not getting the attention that the Divas show gals have, but JBL was all, "There's some truth" in the promo. I did like Brie's comeback during the promo, "All you do is skip!" but I could've used a lot less of their yammering. Funkadactyls were fun during the promo. Naomi with the finger gun at one point, and Cameron throwing down her pom-poms after AJ's "sucking up...to the right people" line as if to say, "You talking to me, bitch?" were well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I hate that they don't show a picture of Tito in the matador book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I hate that they don't show a picture of Tito in the matador book.I'm glad they didn't. I fucking hated that. I realize it was Vince being loyal to a long time talent and trying to give him a gimmick to reinvent him to fit in with the promotion at the time, but personally I thought it sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 My general argument is that the first few times out were very fun since he was making guys run past him, the vignettes were great, but most of all, adding El Paso de la Muerte to his offense made his matches so much more interesting. Since he stopped using the Figure Four post-Strike force, every tito singles match would have him hit the flying forearm in the finishing stretch but the heel would get to the ropes or out of the ring. At that point you knew Tito was going to lose since he already hit his finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Two things from Raw: - John Cena is surely going heel and turning on Bryan? Otherwise why would Daniel Bryan be mentioning and thanking him profusely every single show. It would lead nicely into Cena/Undertaker at Wrestlemania and then he could go back face if they wanted. - Curtis Axel is absolutely horrible. So unnatural for a third generation guy, everything he does looks incredibly forced. Luckily Heyman being great has saved the angle slightly. Weird to see them rehash the Tommy Dreamer ECW angle with the kendo stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 They teased a Legacy breakup and had Ted wrestle Orton on Raw once. He showed a nice babyface fire in that match. Would've been perfect as a white-bread 80's face. Nice dropkick, etc. They put him back with Orton quickly, and he kinda stagnated from there. Yeah, that was pretty much the moment DiBiase was dead in the water, where they really dropped the ball. They built him up for months to turn babyface against Orton, and the crowd was responding and ready to cheer for him when the moment actually happened.....then they didn't pull the trigger. Evolution kind of limped on for a bit after that and petered out, I don't even remember how it ended. This is patently false. The Ted vs Orton "match" was only the second thing that had ever slightly hinted at a Ted turn. The first being the week before when Ted surprised Orton by pinning him in the main event clusterf*ck for...something or other, which led to the "match" as Ted's punishment. The crowd responded to it really well, because the match itself was brilliant and tremendously well worked, but it came out of absolutely nowhere at the time. If Ted was actually getting a babyface push, that would have been the beginning, not the culmination of it. And things went back to normal the next week so in actual fact he got no babyface push at all. People assumed that he would mainly because he was in the Marine 2 movie and was always pegged as the "future star" of the team ahead of Cody, so everyone assumed the plan was to split Ted from the group by the end of 2009 when the movie came out. But the reality is, they never even bothered. FYI, Legacy limped on as Orton's lackeys for a couple more months, until Ted pinned Orton in the Chamber and then Orton was the one who turned babyface against the both of them, leading to the triple threat at Mania 26. So we ended up with face Orton, Million Dollar Ted and Dashing Cody by the summer. I seem to recall them subtly building Ted up as the guy who would turn face for a while before they had the match on RAW. He'd give Orton weird looks during promos and speak his opinion only to get shot down, while Cody would blindly follow every direction. They weren't heavy-handed telegraphing it, but it was there, and there was stuff throughout the Legacy run like Orton punting DiBiase and taking him off TV for a while, and getting him to turn on his dad, where Ted was clearly positioned as the eventual babyface coming out of it. I'm trying to remember what the roster was like coming out of WM26 and why they went with Orton as a face. That was HBK's last show, Taker was basically done as a regular, HHH was done a month later, then Batista left soon after....so I guess they just panicked and thought they needed another poster boy babyface? I don't remember Orton doing anything interesting as a face until they moved him to SD in 2011 and he had the program with Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I think Jimmy has it correct the most regarding that DiBiase-Orton match, which happened on the 10/19/09 Raw. 10/04/09 was HIAC, which was the blowoff to the DX-Legacy feud, which to the best of my memory was never about dissension in Legacy and more the idea that they could hang with DX, especially with beating them the PPV before. Legacy didn't work the 10/05/09 Raw according to Graham's site (also used as reference for everything else here) to sell their injuries. They returned the following week at 10/12/09 and were booked in a triple threat match with Cena, with the winner joining Raw's team for the Bragging Rights match. Rhodes won pinning DiBiase after he got distracted by Orton. This same week, Maria Menounos and Nancy O'Dell were the guest hosts and booked the main event right afterward as Legacy vs. Cena/Orton, with both guys in Legacy claiming the other would attempt to pin Orton. DiBiase pinned him when Orton went after Cena over whatever. That set up the match in question the following week. All this said, they did have a match in July as well, but that was the Million Dollar Man turning babyface by pitting his son against Orton, as well as Rhodes vs. Henry after Mark turned face the following week in the Gauntlet match against Orton. I don't think there was any dissension teases at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 The finale last night was so awesome especially Big Show who was kingsized in everything he did. You understand where they are coming from because like they put over on commentary these guys need their jobs to support their families and whatever so they had to sit there and watch DB get his shit kicked in as punishment for laughing about Orton's car. This angle is perfect BTW to introduce a new character as someone who will help DB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 The finale last night was so awesome especially Big Show who was kingsized in everything he did. You understand where they are coming from because like they put over on commentary these guys need their jobs to support their families and whatever so they had to sit there and watch DB get his shit kicked in as punishment for laughing about Orton's car. This angle is perfect BTW to introduce a new character as someone who will help DB. Given the roster, who would you introduce? Hero? Ritchie Steamboat? I don't know. Styles? When's Rey due back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 The finale last night was so awesome especially Big Show who was kingsized in everything he did. You understand where they are coming from because like they put over on commentary these guys need their jobs to support their families and whatever so they had to sit there and watch DB get his shit kicked in as punishment for laughing about Orton's car. This angle is perfect BTW to introduce a new character as someone who will help DB. Given the roster, who would you introduce? Hero? Ritchie Steamboat? I don't know. Styles? When's Rey due back? It shouldn't be a small guy like Styles or Rey. Having two underdogs vs the World makes no sense in the DB storyline. The perfect candidate would actually have been Kane if not for the Wyatt storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I really hate how the wrestlers are portrayed as living paycheck to paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 The finale last night was so awesome especially Big Show who was kingsized in everything he did. You understand where they are coming from because like they put over on commentary these guys need their jobs to support their families and whatever so they had to sit there and watch DB get his shit kicked in as punishment for laughing about Orton's car. This angle is perfect BTW to introduce a new character as someone who will help DB. Given the roster, who would you introduce? Hero? Ritchie Steamboat? I don't know. Styles? When's Rey due back? It shouldn't be a small guy like Styles or Rey. Having two underdogs vs the World makes no sense in the DB storyline. The perfect candidate would actually have been Kane if not for the Wyatt storyline. I didn't realize Sami Callihan was only 5'10". I got nothing. They obviously wasted Brody Lee's debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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