JerryvonKramer Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I think there are certain PWOisms. For example, few people out there really talk about Jerry Lawler in GOAT terms. Generally the place is down on Bruiser Brody and Dory Funk Jr. Generally it's high on Buddy Rose. And so on and so forth. I do not follow any crowd though. I am my own man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I'd say PWO has a definite contrarian streak compared to more mainstream views in wrestling forums, like the usual take on Shawn Michaels and Kurt Angle compared here to elsewhere. There's lots of nuance and difference in opinion here, but there are lots of (more) common opinions that cut against the grain. It was pretty jarring when I first started lurking here about a year and a half ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 If that's true, I don't want it to be true at all. I want more Shawn Michaels fans, Kurt Angle fans, Davey Richards fans, Dragon Gate fans, Tanahashi fans and even ... HHH fans to post at this board. I'd rather it just be a hodgepodge than for us to be seen as some type of monolith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I don't think PWO is a monolith at all, but here's the thing: PWO has a lot of people who have watched an awful lot of wrestling. It has a particular type of poster who has gone back and watched hours and hours of footage from territories and from around the world. And ... it just so happens that those sorts of fans are much less sold on, for example, the idea of Shawn Michaels as GOAT than your pure WWE fan who rarely ventures to watch anything outside of WWE. Part of it is education / exposure to footage / approach to fandom. That's just a basic truth. As people's horizons open, their opinions change. As they watch more stuff, their once WWE-centric views get adjusted. That isn't to say that everyone draws the same conclusions or that PWO necessarily has consensus on anything OR even necessarily to say that someone who watches a ton of old footage is going to come to the conclusion that HBK isn't in the GOAT conversation -- it's just to acknowledge that the main different between here and a lot of other places is that people bother to watch lots of stuff that is off-the-beaten track. Just being brutally honest, the typical poster here doesn't even speak the same language as your average WWE-centric "smart" fan. It's night and day. Those types of fans aren't really going to post here because they aren't the sorts of fans who watch anything outside of their comfort zone anyway. They don't want the reality of their vision of wrestling challenged, so why would they come here? The sort of guy who is going to come here is typically someone who is ALREADY DISPOSED to widening their horizons. Hope this makes sense. I don't think it's a consensus thing at all, it's an approach thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Just wanted to pop in and say that I find it pretty endearing that others on Twitter have started referring to certain matches and wrestlers as PWO approved, or something PWO would like. To me that just speaks to our tendency to look a little deeper rather than going with the general consensus, or at least what is presented on the surface. Is there really a type of wrestler PWO likes? We have pretty diverse tastes. I don;t think it has to do with presenting unified tastes but in the penchant this board has for delving deeper into wrestlers. With such an approach comes diversified taste, and as I said in my initial post, going against general consensus based on the opinion any number of posters have formed based on their deep diving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 If that's true, I don't want it to be true at all. I want more Shawn Michaels fans, Kurt Angle fans, Davey Richards fans, Dragon Gate fans, Tanahashi fans and even ... HHH fans to post at this board. I'd rather it just be a hodgepodge than for us to be seen as some type of monolith. I don't think it's a bad thing, it's actually what kept me coming back here. Whenever someone did argue for Shawn, Kurt, etc. their opinions were respected, not laughed off. I think it's good that PWO stands as a place where revisionist history of wrestling (not a pejorative) is something of the standard. Like JvK gets at, PWO isn't a contrarian monolith, it's more that PWO isn't drinking the WWE kool-aid narrative of who the all time greats are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 You back up what you say, explain why you're saying it, and try to listen to what other people are saying and understand them and you can say anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdoc Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 there are also some really new people here who should count as "active". myself, pol, shining wiz, a few others... i do think there is a great potential for groupthink here, in part because there are folks like dylan who put inhuman amounts of work into big comprehensive arguments. it's just not realistic to expect a strong enough counter to stuff like that, so "patera is a HOFer" (just an example) may come off better than it should here. there is no Dark Dylan to battle him! but even beyond that, the entire basic structure of the internet makes it a breeding ground for hivemind mentalities. this place does about as good a job as you can hope in combating that, but it's just the nature of the beast once a place lasts long enough. also speaking of dylan i just noticed he became a mod. must be real new, good stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Dylan is Dark Dylan. That's the twist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdoc Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Dylan is Dark Dylan. That's the twist. d...damn... if only his name were donald: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Okay, so if someone thought that the way to end that Modern vs Past discussion was THAT, well I don't know what to say. I enjoy posting here but that felt pretty shitty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted September 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Just say my name bro. Anyway, as a wrestling fan, you should be used to unsatisfying endings. I created a thread where those who feel the need to criticize PWO can help us improve the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Okay, so if someone thought that the way to end that Modern vs Past discussion was THAT, well I don't know what to say. I enjoy posting here but that felt pretty shitty. Some others were saying the same thing to me on Twitter the past two hours. I didn't know what they were referring to specifically but I do now. The situation makes my point for me perfectly. This isn't even what I said and I was more than clear in making my point(s): http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/28985-split-topic-todays-wrestling-vs-wrestling-from-the-past-from-lawler-gwe-thread/page-10&do=findComment&comment=5629579 We've gone into the realm deliberately misquoting people game which is pretty sad. At least directly reply to the points I made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted September 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 I hope you feel vindicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 FEEDBACK: Will should stop making post towards rovert cause it never looks anything close to good. END FEEDBACK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 I hope you feel vindicated. I do. The situation is at the point that people don't want to talk about it on the board for fear of reprisal and are contacting me off the forum or via DM/PM. Some who largely disagree with me just advising me talking about it isn't worth it for the fear of reprisal and that some posters refuse to engage with opinions different to their own. That advice is ringing true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted September 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 It's good advice. You probably should stop posting about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Then why solicit feedback? Seems like the Devitt thread all over again which myself and others took as goading rather than genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted September 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 The Devitt thread was genuine. This is me giving you a specific warning to let it go since you have already given your feedback. We already have mods here who think you are a troll. Nothing good can come from you continuing this conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 I did drop the subject essentially in my last post of the locked thread. A lot of out of respect for Loss and I didn't want to be redundant. The thread lock got a number of people contacting me. I spread the word about Good Will Wrestling as much as anyone all over the place. I am genuinely not trolling and I've never gone out to troll on PWO. A troll would probably say the same thing obviously but I am being strictly truthful. This weekend I just gave my honest thoughts. That's it. Once again I will emphasise in general I really enjoy the board and appreciate my membership of it. There's far, far, far right then there's wrong about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Regarding the new rule, it perhaps should apply more generally when talking about any message board or heterogeneous group, not just to PWO alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Instead of writing "the board" just list the people who hold the opinion or examples of people who hold the opinion. However, I disagree with kjh's point above because I see the same generic views repeated in far too many places, and members who post on PWO don't owe shit to the rest of the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Regarding the new rule, it perhaps should apply more generally when talking about any message board or heterogeneous group, not just to PWO alone. Seconded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 I'll be honest, it's gotten to the point where I don't give a shit what others think of this board or the people who post here. If you're here there's a reason you're here, and if you're not then there's a reason you're not. I don't have time for trollish arguments, so I don't engage in them anymore. And for the most part this place is free of them and engages in discussion I actually seek out. Not sure what this means in the long run, but whatever, I don't really care about this whole "How others perceive PWO" nonsense anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Instead of writing "the board" just list the people who hold the opinion or examples of people who hold the opinion. However, I disagree with kjh's point above because I see the same generic views repeated in far too many places, and members who post on PWO don't owe shit to the rest of the internet. Why can't I like being part of more than one group and respect other groups? Pointing out the people you wish to engage seems like a fair rule and not generalizing seems fair as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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