C.S. Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8wZUgGm79o I don't remember seeing this at the time, but was the prevailing theory that this was a shoot? Pretty sure that was a Vince Russo worked-shoot special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 If so Leon had good acting abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 1. When Owen dropped dead. 2. When it was reported Benoit and his family were dead. 3. When it was reported that Pillman was dead (which I'd flippantly predicted a few months earlier) 4. Wash:Rinse:Repeat Uh... beyond that? I don't really think about Pro Wrestling in terms of Shoot. Tends to annoy the shit out of me, as could be seen in the old thread about Punk "shooting" during the interview, or Bryan being "fired" when it was pretty obvious he'd be brought back no later than right after the Election. The way people talk about "the loss of kayfabe" killing wrestling is how I talk about Work-Shoot-Fabe being one of the worst things ever to happen to wrestling. Just hate it for the most part, and there's been way too much of it in the years since Pillman-Sully. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 whoooooshshshhhhhhsshsshss Anyone hear that? It's the life and joy of this thread being rapidly away by Captain Stoney-face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 TECHNICALLY not in terms of shooting versus a work, but I always thought the Rumble was booked on the fly and improvised by everyone, but with strict instructions not to disrupt whatever the final grouping (6 or 4, whatever) would be, since that would be a more manageable match to script out for the finish. I think a couple of things gave it away: * Gorilla giving away script elements to get over Dave use to have fun pointing them out in the WON. * the "Lots of people staying in the ring before the Big Guy comes in to toos loads of people out" spots You'd have people going out at a normal clip, then at a certain point eliminations (and usually the match) would grind to a stop. The ring would get filled up waiting for the Monster Of The Year to come out and start tossing people out left and right. OMG in the first, Hogan in the second, etc. * the "Guys who are going to win / be there near the end but can't work / have no gas so the enter late" spot. Studd in the second, Hogan and Warrior in the 3rd. * the "Feuding Guys perfectly timed to face each other / Partners perfectly times to help each other" spot The first one had the Hart Foundation come out 2-4... and Strikeforce Tito at #1, so that pretty much nailed both spots perfectly at the start of the first Rumble. * * * * * You do wonder what would happen if they truly did a Random Draw, and largely had Workers in the match who could "go". You'd have to give it some structure prior to the match to frame the event. My thought would be that if it's a 30 man Rumble, you'd have on Raw and SD a process of selecting #1 and #30, along with say #10 & #15 & #20. Perhaps "draw" the first two, and then have "matches" for the other three. You would actually Work both the drawing and of course the matches are worked, so you can use them to place (i) someone going Long in the #1 spot, (ii) someone Fat / Big / Can't Go Long / Can't Work in the #30 spots, and (iii) the guys you want to have dramatic moments or booking with in the other slots so that everyone else knows that when they come in, "We want you to do A-B-C." Then the other 25 are just random. You give some overall guidelines, and you use the refs to send in instructions... and you probably want to do the "draws" right as the next guy is running to the ring / coming to the ring so it can be "posted" up on the screen. That give you some time of an agent / Vince to give the next guy instructions off camera before he runs out. The folks also know looking at the screen, "Oh... it's X and our general guidelines were to toss him the fuck out in 30 seconds" or whatever. You'd have to do more ad-lib / winging it that currently is done in the Rumbles. But you also could lay out guidelines in advance, and use your agents and refs, and even the wrestlers coming in, to get instructions to the workers. It could be pretty fun to watch... or could be a total trainwreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 whoooooshshshhhhhhsshsshss Anyone hear that? It's the life and joy of this thread being rapidly away by Captain Stoney-face. Lord knows jdw and I have gotten into it before, and he has annoyed or frustrated me at times. We will probably get into it again at some point too. But this response can't go anywhere good. I'm asking nicely for no more fights between the two of you. That's not just directed to you either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victory Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 I thought wrestling was real when in the AWA around late 83 Mr. Saito threw salt in the eyes of Hulk Hogan during a trophy presentation. I pretty much figured it out the following year when we got our first VCR. Then I started taping a few matches here and there and I would slow down or pause certain moves and I quickly realized they weren't on the level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 At the Lesnar vs. Cena Extreme Rules match in 2012, I legitimately thought following Cena being busted open that Lesnar had deviated from the match and roughed him up for real. I know, silly eh? Didn't Meltzer or somebody say that Cena and Lesnar had planned it for Brock to bust Cena hardway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 1. When Owen dropped dead. 2. When it was reported Benoit and his family were dead. 3. When it was reported that Pillman was dead (which I'd flippantly predicted a few months earlier) 4. Wash:Rinse:Repeat Just out of curiosity, not as a "gotcha" question, what was your reaction to Montreal--whether watching it or hearing about it for the first time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 1. When Owen dropped dead. 2. When it was reported Benoit and his family were dead. 3. When it was reported that Pillman was dead (which I'd flippantly predicted a few months earlier) 4. Wash:Rinse:Repeat Just out of curiosity, not as a "gotcha" question, what was your reaction to Montreal--whether watching it or hearing about it for the first time? Watched the PPV live at Casa del Yohe. I thought it was obvious that Vince took the belt off Bret in a way that Bret didn't expect or agree to. Was suprised when people thought differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmistguy90 Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 When big show broke the ring with Brock When big show threw Kurt angle off the balcony and his head started bleeding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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