dawho5 Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 I never had a problem with his charisma. My problem is with a very clear sense of the workers working together on spots rather than struggling over them. In lucha libre that stuff comes across way better than American or Japanese wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 Malenko's "lacking charisma" was clearly a deliberate part of the shooter/iceman gimmick. I tend to agree, although he certainly was a wooden and dry promo. I think it's kinda the same case as Brad Armstrong who apparently had a great personnality backstage. It's not like they were looking like Tim Horner in the ring either (but who knows, maybe Horner was hilarious backstage too). Ironically enough, I thought he was at his best when he was working as a fiery babyface (against Syxx or Jericho for instance) instead of the emotionless technical "shooter" which catered to his worst tendencies in the ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 Bret Hart said Dean Malenko's style looked "too choreographed". I think that's a fitting description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Bret Hart said Dean Malenko's style looked "too choreographed". I think that's a fitting description. Malenko is guilty of one of my biggest pet peeves, guys kicking out of their own pinning attempts during quick nearfalls sequences. It drives me crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Y'know, I never really thought about that. That is annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 And sometimes you can see him (and tons of others too, including workers I enjoy) litteraly pushing the guy he's trying to pin away just before the three count so they can get into the next position. It's absurd and ruins whatever illusion of them even trying to pin each others during those sequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 When I watched a lot of World Championship Wrestling from 1985-1986 in 2007 and some in 2008, I couldn't stand Jimmy Valiant. That whole feud really bored me. I started watching JCP from the start of 1985 and I'm really enjoying the hell out of Valiant this time around. It's been a really weird opinion change. Like the things that used to annoy me with him make me actually like him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 When I watched a lot of World Championship Wrestling from 1985-1986 in 2007 and some in 2008, I couldn't stand Jimmy Valiant. That whole feud really bored me. I started watching JCP from the start of 1985 and I'm really enjoying the hell out of Valiant this time around. It's been a really weird opinion change. Like the things that used to annoy me with him make me actually like him now. "One of us...one of us...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 I got a bunch of Maple Leaf Wrestling DVDs only to find out it was pretty much just clips & highlights from other promotions and not a damn thing original from Canada. The only reason I ever even think about pulling them back out is because they seemed to cover the Jimmy Valiant/Paul Jones feud pretty extensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 I just think I didn't get it the first time around. I was too stuck on his ring work. I think the way they slowly brought him back on World Wide Wrestling made a big difference. I had several promos and some brawls before he worked a match. The character and ring work mesh a lot better that way to me. I wouldn't want to see him in a 20 minute match or anything but he brings a really nice unique flavor to the shows. I loved when he and Buzz Tyler paid off some jobbers so they could wrestle Kabuki and the Barbarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 I think we're all a little like that when it comes to Dusty actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claw64 Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 If you guys had seen Jimmy Valiant and Dusty Rhodes as heels, your opinion of them might be a little different. When Jimmy teamed with his "brother" Johnny, he was a prolific bleeder. They cut great promos too. Rhodes was a great heel too. With Murdoch or on his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I loved when he and Buzz Tyler paid off some jobbers so they could wrestle Kabuki and the Barbarian. That was the very first NWA TV show I saw. It grabbed me and blew my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Malenko's "lacking charisma" was clearly a deliberate part of the shooter/iceman gimmick. I tend to agree, although he certainly was a wooden and dry promo. To an extent he was. Certainly in WCW but a lot of that was his iceman persona. Its worth revisiting the debut of the Radicalz. Ironically, Malenko is the first one to really fit in, before the inevitable eclipse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Double 0 Malenko "Ladies Man" was outstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 He's not married, his wife is married. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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