Bierschwale Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Lex Luger was my choice. Admittedly, I think he gets more love in places such as this, but he gets very polar responses depending on where he is being talked about. Not to imply that Luger was uniformly beloved during his active career, but I've always thought that what officially did him in and made him a reviled figure was the death of Liz. And I cannot think of anything more paternalistic and misogynistic and just pathetic in wrestling history. You'd think that Elizabeth was Rosemary Kennedy from how little agency that fans have given her over her personal life. And of course we all now know that her relationship with Savage was much more dysfunctional and emotionally/mentally abusive. But I can't count the number of times that I've seen "Lex killed Elizabeth", particularly in the mid-2000s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Seth Rollins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy James Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Does HHH count? Hard to reconcile the lines of thought where he's an overpushed, overrated boring wrestler who buried more deserving workers, sunk ratings as top guy, and was a piece-of-shit backstage politician, and the one that casts him as the savior of modern wrestling who's going to make RAW just like NXT when Vince finally dies. Yet both these lines of thought seem to simultaneously exist in the greater community. I guess the latter line of thought isn't related to him as a wrestler, but even then, it's remarkable that the same group of people who will tell stories about backstabbing-piece-of-shit HHH who only pushes Sheamus because he's a workout buddy will also mention about how they can't wait until Vince dies so HHH can fix RAW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted November 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 The amount of mental gymnastics that the most die hard NXT fans do over HHH makes even my head hurt. I don't know how they do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judy Bagwell Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Demolition out of shape dudes in in S&M gear with limited in ring skill who were road warrior retreads (besides the face paint what else was comparable?) or insanely over, face dismantling badasses with an awesome entrance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 The amount of mental gymnastics that the most die hard NXT fans do over HHH makes even my head hurt. I don't know how they do it. Yeah, it should be easy to see why it works with NXT because he's not an active part of the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted November 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 The amount of mental gymnastics that the most die hard NXT fans do over HHH makes even my head hurt. I don't know how they do it. Yeah, it should be easy to see why it works with NXT because he's not an active part of the roster. But I'm talking about how those "HHH is going to be the savior of wrestling!" people are now trying to rewrite history to say HHH never buried anyone and he only beat those people because they "weren't on his level." The shitty "who buried more people HHH or Cena" poll that I mentioned from wrestlingforum had 72 votes for Cena compared to 36 for HHH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 The whole point of the video Triple H produced before his match at Wrestlemania against Daniel Bryan is that he knows people know he buried people. He was feeding the paranoia that Bryan would be next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 The amount of mental gymnastics that the most die hard NXT fans do over HHH makes even my head hurt. I don't know how they do it. Yeah, it should be easy to see why it works with NXT because he's not an active part of the roster. But I'm talking about how those "HHH is going to be the savior of wrestling!" people are now trying to rewrite history to say HHH never buried anyone and he only beat those people because they "weren't on his level." The shitty "who buried more people HHH or Cena" poll that I mentioned from wrestlingforum had 72 votes for Cena compared to 36 for HHH.HHH or someone in his circle is obviously who feeds the stories about how he wants to push all the guys smarks like and Kevin Dunn/Vince buries them (the general story). A lot of people eat that shit up, even with how transparent it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Reminds me of how Kevin Nash was a guy who told people what they wanted to hear and then buried them behind their backs before charming them again when they confronted him. Another lesson that was taught by the Kliq during their car rides? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Lex Luger was my choice. Admittedly, I think he gets more love in places such as this, but he gets very polar responses depending on where he is being talked about. Not to imply that Luger was uniformly beloved during his active career, but I've always thought that what officially did him in and made him a reviled figure was the death of Liz. And I cannot think of anything more paternalistic and misogynistic and just pathetic in wrestling history. You'd think that Elizabeth was Rosemary Kennedy from how little agency that fans have given her over her personal life. And of course we all now know that her relationship with Savage was much more dysfunctional and emotionally/mentally abusive. But I can't count the number of times that I've seen "Lex killed Elizabeth", particularly in the mid-2000s. Wouldn't this be mostly due to WWE Confidential's Liz/Luger episode that flat out implied that Luger was heavily responsible for her death? I believe I remember hearing it was one of the highest rated episodes of the series. I know they aired Luger's 9/11 call, and even had Cole and Okerlund give "news" reports on Luger's side of the story that pretty much implied this was a homicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I think the blaming of Luger more comes from the belief (whether true or false) that he's the one who introduced drugs to the relationship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Luger himself has taken full blame for what happened to Liz, calling it his fault. Whether that's just him being "a good Christian" and "confessing his sins," I don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Gordy and Williams' WCW run seems divisive on this site. I remember digging it when I went through WCW, but haven't watched it in ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Gordy and Williams' WCW run seems divisive on this site. I remember digging it when I went through WCW, but haven't watched it in ages. I loved it. I'm surprised anyone didn't. But you're right, some people here weren't fans of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 The whole point of the video Triple H produced before his match at Wrestlemania against Daniel Bryan is that he knows people know he buried people. He was feeding the paranoia that Bryan would be next. Also, when I hear absolutist stuff like that about anyone in wrestling, it makes me think people have no concept of how the real world works. It's possible that HHH was both a self-serving, insecure wrestler and a guy who has earnest intentions to make the NXT style the future of wrestling and wants the best outcome for those who have helped him launch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 A modern pick would be Timothy Thatcher and Drew Gulak. I see people who think they're two of the best wrestlers going today, and people who say they refuse to sit through another one of their matches. I feel like many of these other picks are great, but some of them are more divisive as time has passed and a backlash has formed. Thatcher and Gulak are provoking extreme reactions from people in the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NitroFan Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 Edge. In certain areas of the internet it wouldn't be unusual to see him listed quite highly on GOAT lists. Jericho is much the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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