tim Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 What are the best matches that still aren't up anywhere online -- whether through popular sites like youtube, downloadable torrents or subscription services? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBlowPodcast Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I am still waiting to see video footage of JYD vs Michael Hayes from the Superdome in 1980, but I have had zero luck. I did see the angle leading to it when JYD was blinded but nothing after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 As far as I know Hijo del Santo vs. Espanto Jr. from 1992 has never been online. There's a Fuerza Guerrera vs. Negro Casas match that got praised in the Match Discussion Archive that I've never seen online. Bestia Salvaje vs. Huracan Sevilla isn't online (although it didn't get as much praise in the MDA). I could have sworn that Pirata Morgan vs. Masakre showed up online, but if it's there I can't find it. Javier Cruz vs. Ciclon Ramirez definitely was. The Atlantis/Dandy/Hijo del Santo/Lizmark vs. Blue Panther/Dr. Wagner Jr./Negro Casas/Felino match from 1996 got rave reviews in the MDA, but I've never seen it, and in fact I've never heard it discussed outside of that thread. Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs. Apolo Dantes is another one I've heard about but never seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 It's kind of interesting how things come and go. That Dandy vs. Panther clip was online years and years ago and resurfaced recently. I'm still waiting for the Panther vs. Gran Cochisse clip to be reupped someday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ship Canal Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I searched for Shingo vs Bryan Danielson for years after hearing all the hype. I came home to discover completely at random one night that someone had posted it up to youtube and I managed to finally see it. I woke up the next day completely hungover with zero memory of what I'd seen, went back to the same persons channel and it had been made private in the space of about 8 hours. I still have very little memory of the match, although I remember enjoying it, but that could have been the 9 pints of Stella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBscout Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Danielson-Devitt was one for a while but that just went up this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBscout Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 -A couple Flair WWF 92-93 handhelds vs. Bret and vs. Hennig, and the Flair SWS 6Man tag.  -Bunch of Japan tags and ECW handhelds with Benoit/Guerrero/Malenko/Jericho.  -WAR 6 30 94 six man tag tourney  -ECW November to Remember 94 handheld (event never released on tape and Malenko vs Taz never even aired clipped on TV, nor did Benoit-Sabu aftermath. Austin was also announced during show as coming in for a tag the next month ith Douglas vs Simmons and Scorpio)  Odds and ends...  -Pillman's last WCW TV match. Aired on Worldwide after SuperBrawl. Was in March while he was in ECW. They didn't even mention him once even while he was in the ring. Don't think the 96 season set has been online ever.  -Liger vs Guerrero from WCW Main Event 10-1-95. Was temporarily on WWE.com before the network was ever launched but it's a dead link now and was only up for a few months to begin with. The original is out there on a Liger in WCW comp but is a broken record for me. Can never come up with it.  -Konnan vs Jake from AAA in a cage and Owen vs Pat Rose from WCW Worldwide also. 91 season set not online, just random episodes I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrainfollower Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Savage Undertaker is the match I really wanna see before I die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Remembered some more:  Emilio Charles Jr. vs. Atlantis from 1992 The AAA match in which Eddy turns on Santo Metalicos vs. Cavernicolas isn't online anymore Psicosis vs. Hijo del Santo from 1994 I think there was a Santo vs. Heavy Metal match that got **** in the MDA and one that got **** from Meltzer, and I don't think either is the one that's online  I've been going from "best matches not available online" to "matches that someone called great one time and also aren't online," so I'll cram a sock in it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 There's a ton of Emilio Charles vs Atlantis singles and trios matches that I don't think are online. They had quite the feud, it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrainfollower Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 All the WWF stuff you listed, we ASSUME was taped (and the fact that Savage-UT clips showed up recently suggest it was. Â I was at a WWF house show taping way back in 91 and above the cameras. A few of the dark matches they were not manned FWIW. Â Is there any WWF stuff that WAS out once and is gone? I ask because they seem to have the most complete library of footage of 80's promotions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Bret Hart/Owen Hart vs. Money Inc (WWF TV Taping Fresno 1-27-93) Are you sure on this one? Graham has this: Â WWF @ Fresno, CA - Convention Center - January 26, 1993 Â Owen Hart & Koko B. Ware defeated WWF Tag Team Champions Ted Dibiase & IRS via disqualification at 5:53 after the champions kept double-teaming Owen and then kept pulling him up off the canvas after several 2-counts when they could have won the fall; after the bout, WWF World Champion Bret Hart made the save for his brother; during the bout, Koko was helped backstage by two referees after he injured his leg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBscout Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 http://wrestlingepicenter.com/tv_results/Challenge/challenge93.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Owen Hart & Koko B. Ware defeated WWF Tag Team Champions Ted Dibiase & IRS via disqualification at 5:53 after the champions kept double-teaming Owen and then kept pulling him up off the canvas after several 2-counts when they could have won the fall; after the bout, WWF World Champion Bret Hart made the save for his brother; during the bout, Koko was helped backstage by two referees after he injured his leg, leading to Bret & Owen facing Money Inc. in a dark match later in the taping Looks like it won't have made tape sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Is the question stuff that's out there that we've seen that we have just never seen anyone put on YouTube or DM, or is it stuff that we hope is in a vault somewhere? I interpreted it to be the former, but maybe I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I can't seem to find Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee 6/6/1983 anywhere. There is a 2 minute highlights video on youtube but that's about it. Also don't think Fujiwara vs. Takada 10/25/1990 is online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Is the question stuff that's out there that we've seen that we have just never seen anyone put on YouTube or DM, or is it stuff that we hope is in a vault somewhere? I interpreted it to be the former, but maybe I'm wrong. I think it's stuff that's we've seen, can see, or know exists that has never been on YouTube/DM or no longer is on YouTube/DM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBscout Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Â Â Is the question stuff that's out there that we've seen that we have just never seen anyone put on YouTube or DM, or is it stuff that we hope is in a vault somewhere? I interpreted it to be the former, but maybe I'm wrong. I think it's stuff that's we've seen, can see, or know exists that has never been on YouTube/DM or no longer is on YouTube/DM.I jacked the thread but have since edited out the vaulted stuff mentioned. The topic is stuff in circulation but not online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted January 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Is the question stuff that's out there that we've seen that we have just never seen anyone put on YouTube or DM, or is it stuff that we hope is in a vault somewhere? I interpreted it to be the former, but maybe I'm wrong. Â More stuff that is known to exist and are classics but aren't online anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I can't seem to find Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee 6/6/1983 anywhere. There is a 2 minute highlights video on youtube but that's about it. Also don't think Fujiwara vs. Takada 10/25/1990 is online. Lawler vs Dundee was on youtube but it's now blocked by WWE. How long have they had rights to Memphis footage? That's news to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Sometimes WWE makes copyright claims on footage they don't even own. I don't know if that's the case here, but they've done it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 My guess is that match is in some collection that they own (AWA or Mid South, I guess) and it's part of their digital fingerprint so it gets auto-flagged. Â WWE Classics on Demand once showed the famous Funk vs Lawler empty arena match and they didn't (and still don't) own the rights to Memphis. Â This is a good article on digital fingerprints if anyone is interested. It's interesting to see what is and what isn't part of the fingerprint. Some MSG shows are automatically blocked and others aren't. Perhaps the fingerprint only includes matches that are on any of their commercial DVD's. Â http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/Editorial/Featured-Articles/YouTubes-Digital-Fingerprints-How-Content-ID-Protects-Videos-78358.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rah Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 There's a hair match between Chicana and El Faraon that I've got highlights of, but never found the full match. They have (what I think is) a title match online, that's disappointing, but the violence between these two in the apuesta is ungodly. I'd imagine it would have placed rather high in the DVDVR Lucha set. Â Â As far as I know Hijo del Santo vs. Espanto Jr. from 1992 has never been online. There's a Fuerza Guerrera vs. Negro Casas match that got praised in the Match Discussion Archive that I've never seen online. Bestia Salvaje vs. Huracan Sevilla isn't online (although it didn't get as much praise in the MDA). I could have sworn that Pirata Morgan vs. Masakre showed up online, but if it's there I can't find it. Javier Cruz vs. Ciclon Ramirez definitely was. The Atlantis/Dandy/Hijo del Santo/Lizmark vs. Blue Panther/Dr. Wagner Jr./Negro Casas/Felino match from 1996 got rave reviews in the MDA, but I've never seen it, and in fact I've never heard it discussed outside of that thread. Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs. Apolo Dantes is another one I've heard about but never seen. Â Could have sworn I saw Salvaje/Sevilla online, but it's not to be found now. That and the 1996 8way you mentioned are both on the Yearbooks, at least. I'll look again, I might have the Rayo/Apolo match lying around. I know that OJ has it. Cruz/Ramirez is here. Masakre/Morgan was uploaded by AlexOblivion, though, for the life of me, I cannot recall what the URL/video name is, now. I've got it on my own account: Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Could have sworn I saw Salvaje/Sevilla online, but it's not to be found now. That and the 1996 8way you mentioned are both on the Yearbooks, at least. I'll look again, I might have the Rayo/Apolo match lying around. I know that OJ has it. Cruz/Ramirez is here. Masakre/Morgan was uploaded by AlexOblivion, though, for the life of me, I cannot recall what the URL/video name is, now. The best part about this is that I actually went out of my way to check if Cruz vs. Ramirez was online (and not just on YouTube) before I posted that. When the first page of results already had videos not even remotely relevant, I assumed that it wasn't and added it to the list. It's as if the internet exists just to spread the message of my stupidity as far as possible. Â Thanks for the links, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Blue Panther vs Dos Caras and Blue Panther vs Lizmark from So Cal. I don't have the tapes anymore and I have never seen these matches online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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