Ricky Jackson Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 If you didn't vote for Casas, your ballot was a failure. Simple as that. I'm not even going to get in to him being lower than Bret and Regal and some others because I'll just get more and more angry. Like Breaks, Casas is one of the most universal performers in history. To not rank him is unfathomable to me. I honestly feel like if you don't like or understand Casas, you don't actually like or understand pro wrestling. I'm sure that most of the voters who didn't rank him just haven't seen enough, or any, of his matches, not because they watched a ton of Casas and said "fuck him, he sucks" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Go with Haku instead: Casas is so awesome in that match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Regal, Arn and Savage are surviving on the strength of being guys everyone will rate. Probably Bret too, though people inexplicably think he's a top tier guy. The weighted voting system was something I wanted in place in part to offset this, but here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bierschwale Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 grggghhhghhhhhhh. Uh-huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pol Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Regal, Arn and Savage are surviving on the strength of being guys everyone will rate. Probably Bret too, though people inexplicably think he's a top tier guy. The weighted voting system was something I wanted in place in part to offset this, but here we are. What system did you propose? I definitely feel like this system rewards being on a large number of ballots too much, and I'm aware other kinds of ranking systems for this kind of thing exist, but I don't know anything about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Apparently I'm on an island here, but the Savage things boggles my mind as much as Bret. It was pretty early on where he was no longer even in consideration for my list. I knew he'd rank well but had no expectation it'd be this high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Regal, Arn and Savage are surviving on the strength of being guys everyone will rate. Probably Bret too, though people inexplicably think he's a top tier guy. The weighted voting system was something I wanted in place in part to offset this, but here we are. What system did you propose? I definitely feel like this system rewards being on a large number of ballots too much, and I'm aware other kinds of ranking systems for this kind of thing exist, but I don't know anything about them. You can't do more than what we did. It is what it is. Thankfully my top 100 is the only one that is right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Apparently I'm on an island here, but the Savage things boggles my mind as much as Bret. It was pretty early on where he was no longer even in consideration for my list. I knew he'd rank well but had no expectation it'd be this high. I think it's ridiculous too, but I get it a bit more because like Austin he's legit one of the biggest stars in wrestling history and I think that influenced the thinking of many voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eegah Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Average vote of 19 for Casas. That is a strong representation for all who voted for him. I had him in the top 15, as I watch more of his stuff Im sure he will be in the tip top. Incredible worker, its a shame he didnt get into the top 20 but a strong showing nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMptb Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Is it possible that, perhaps, maybe, while the WWE style is viewed as the absolute worst thing to ever happen to wrestling by many here, that some people like it? And maybe it's possible that some people still like it even after exposing themselves to lucha, Japan, WoS etc. etc. etc. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Please just drop the next name. This stings too much quite frankly. The greatest professional wrestler ever at #22 while Bret lingers. I'm a broken man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Is it possible that, perhaps, maybe, while the WWE style is viewed as the absolute worst thing to ever happen to wrestling by many here, that some people like it? And maybe it's possible that some people still like it even after exposing themselves to lucha, Japan, WoS etc. etc. etc. ? Yes it is possible. Not sure anyone has denied that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Casas falling out of the top 20 is a shocker to me. I honestly was thinking he was going to break the top 10 after hearing some of the podcasts. He is one of the more easily translatable lucha workers too. Just surprising. I love Bret, Regal, Arn, and Savage, but I would have Casas over all of them by a country mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Apparently I'm on an island here, but the Savage things boggles my mind as much as Bret. It was pretty early on where he was no longer even in consideration for my list. I knew he'd rank well but had no expectation it'd be this high. I think it's ridiculous too, but I get it a bit more because like Austin he's legit one of the biggest stars in wrestling history and I think that influenced the thinking of many voters. Savage is a really strange case in that I have no desire to talk anyone out of voting for him and I get why he's so loved, but of all the all time great wrestlers is there anyone that actually has a worse ratio of available footage to good matches? Savage really only has a handful of genuine classics to his name. Large periods of his career are really absolutely nothing. I still voted for him anyway. I'm not really sure I even have an analytical explanation. It just feels right. Randy Savage is just core to what wrestling is on some emotional level that goes beyond basic reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMptb Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 No, no one has come out and said it, but some of the comments suggest that this list is so extraordinary that they just cannot believe it. Forgive me if I have inferred this completely incorrectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Wow -- Casas was top 10 on nearly half of the ballots he placed? Or does the top 10 figure now include top 3 votes? Top 10 is 4-10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Is it possible that, perhaps, maybe, while the WWE style is viewed as the absolute worst thing to ever happen to wrestling by many here, that some people like it? And maybe it's possible that some people still like it even after exposing themselves to lucha, Japan, WoS etc. etc. etc. ? Yes it is possible. Not sure anyone has denied that. Or maybe. Just maybe. The pendulum switched to US mainstream, whatever the reason. With loathed guys like Angle and Michaels gaining spots (and not one or two spots), a larger number of US big 2 promotion guys being ranked, names like Savage still around, Cena placing ridiculously high. Yeah. Maybe. Just maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Please just drop the next name. This stings too much quite frankly. The greatest professional wrestler ever at #23 while Bret lingers. I'm a broken man. I hope Bret wins it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Please just drop the next name. This stings too much quite frankly. The greatest professional wrestler ever at #23 while Bret lingers. I'm a broken man. I hope Bret wins it That legit cracked me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pol Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Is it possible that, perhaps, maybe, while the WWE style is viewed as the absolute worst thing to ever happen to wrestling by many here, that some people like it? And maybe it's possible that some people still like it even after exposing themselves to lucha, Japan, WoS etc. etc. etc. ? Either you're being very disingenuous or have massively misunderstood the arguments being made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Is it possible that, perhaps, maybe, while the WWE style is viewed as the absolute worst thing to ever happen to wrestling by many here, that some people like it? And maybe it's possible that some people still like it even after exposing themselves to lucha, Japan, WoS etc. etc. etc. ? Yes it is possible. Not sure anyone has denied that. Or maybe. Just maybe. The pendulum switched to US mainstream, whatever the reason. With loathed guys like Angle and Michaels gaining spots (and not one or two spots), a larger number of US big 2 promotion guys being ranked, names like Savage still around, Cena placing ridiculously high. Yeah. Maybe. Just maybe. The number of voters was always going to create a situation where certain guys were going to benefit by being on every ballot. I think most of the more controversial American names left fall in that category, but I guess we will see when we get a look at average vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stomperspc Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 So 56 of the 108 Casas voters had him in the top 10. Even if we assume the average top 10 vote was a nine (which is being really conservative) that means his average vote of those that didn't include him in the top 10 was a tick over 28. That's a pretty sizable gulf between those that felt he was a top 10 wrestler and those that included him elsewhere on their lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 May be time for a Bret v. The World thread after GWE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 I don't have a back-up of my list. Is there any way I can have a look at my list? My laptop crashed and many files went bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Hash was my #2. A little shocking only one guy had him at #1. He is THE japanese wrestler in my eyes. With Casas out too, that means 4/5 of my top 5 are gone. I think the average vote for Casas and the number of #1 votes says it all. Altough I think people praise him for his clowning too much. The guy is an awesome wrestler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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