FMKK Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Kick-off show is underway. Lot's of big matches on this show although only four of them really interest me; Lesnar vs Orton, Cena vs Styles, Reigns vs Rusev and Charlotte vs Sasha. However, at least some of the results seem unpredictable. Hoping that the 6 hours doesn't drive anyone to insanity.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Had no clue this was already starting. Jesus, they already had a match? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeplastictrees Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Silly me, I thought the pre-show was going to start at 7PM EST and the PPV was going to finish at midnight. Holy shit, we are in for a long night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Man they are kind of burying Dolph on this pre-show unless they are actually going to give him the title tonight. Given that the brand just started I don't know if you want to tell people that this is probably his last chance at a title shot and near the end of the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted August 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Man they are kind of burying Dolph on this pre-show unless they are actually going to give him the title tonight. Given that the brand just started I don't know if you want to tell people that this is probably his last chance at a title shot and near the end of the line I think the storytelling and the promos have been quite good for this one. It makes sense to acknowledge that Ziggler has never gone all the way but like you say, they need to play a careful game. I wouldn't give him the title but with the rosters so stretched they can't afford to devalue anyone who is half-way over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Silly me, I thought the pre-show was going to start at 7PM EST and the PPV was going to finish at midnight. Holy shit, we are in for a long night. Just be thankful there's no Shane match like last time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parties Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 This pre-show has been rough so far. Also, I'm a huge Sasha fan, but her promos have been terrible lately. I wonder if she's one of those workers who doesn't like being a face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 The 12-Man Tag was fun for what it was. Zayn-Neville vs. Dudleys on now. Corbin's little spiel about money was gold, and I loved it when he stuck his gum onto Lawler's note. His only problem is that he's still too young and soft-looking, not at all intimidating and has a receding hairline, so he's been kind of miscast in the "bad ass" role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Has there ever been an act that's been cooled off and made so irrelevant and inconsequential so quickly than The Dudleys since their return? There's a difference between putting people over and doing it so much that there's no longer any value in it. The Dudleys have reached the latter stage. Why even bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted August 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Has there ever been an act that's been cooled off and made so irrelevant and inconsequential so quickly than The Dudleys since their return? There's a difference between putting people over and doing it so much that there's no longer any value in it. The Dudleys have reached the latter stage. Why even bother? I feel like they were only really properly over for the return pop in front of the smark crowd. They've been living on fumes ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...TG Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Given how much "the demon king" sounds like "the demon Kane", you'd think they wouldn't push it quite so hard. But you'd be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Cesaro and Sheamus have been demoted to the pre-show...just wonderful. I feel like they were only really properly over for the return pop in front of the smark crowd. They've been living on fumes ever since. They were sunk when the heel New Day became more over and popular than them during their feud. Given how much "the demon king" sounds like "the demon Kane", you'd think they wouldn't push it quite so hard. But you'd be wrong. And let's not forget "The King of Strong Style" Shinsuke Nakamara. Usually, WWE wouldn't be so sloppy to have two of any name. Nakamura is still in NXT but I'm guessing he'll be on the main roster by the day after WrestleMania at the latest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Thanks for this thread. I too didn't know the show started early, nor did I know it was 4-hours long. I'm really outta the loop. I have cable & internet again now though, so I can watch again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 HUGE reaction for Enzo and Cass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Fucking Jericho is the best. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Jericho looks like he just finished his job as director of a 70's porn film. Uber sleazy looking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parties Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Cesaro-Sheamus was tremendous, esp. as a pre-show match with two outstanding GWE 100 contenders that had no heat going into it. Probably the best singles they've had, at least from what I can recall. That's how you go out and try to steal the show, esp. all the storytelling around Cesaro's shoulder and whether it could hold out amidst all the power offense from both. Another match I need to rewatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Jericho's goatee is the greatest thing ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeplastictrees Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 The Dudleys were stale as shit in WWE during the Ruthless Aggression Era and that is why they were split up. Despite spending some time away from WWE, it was like they never left when they returned...and that is NOT a compliment. Much like with Del Rio, WWE just has this magic about itself to make big returns not mean anything or be special in less than a week. The camouflage, entrance pyro, music, etc. all doesn't help. A Bully Ray run is really needed at this point as I have no interest in the Dudleys' act. The Jericho "IT" stuff is gold. Love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 The Dudleys were stale as shit in WWE during the Ruthless Aggression Era and that is why they were split up. Despite spending some time away from WWE, it was like they never left when they returned...and that is NOT a compliment. Much like with Del Rio, WWE just has this magic about itself to make big returns not mean anything or be special in less than a week. The camouflage, entrance pyro, music, etc. all doesn't help. A Bully Ray run is really needed at this point as I have no interest in the Dudleys' act. The Jericho "IT" stuff is gold. Love it! Agreed. They looked, acted, and sounded like a tired nostalgia act. If you didn't see their work outside the WWE, you'd think they had not evolved one iota in their ten years away. I can understand starting out with the familiar, the tried and true, but they should have quickly moved beyond that. They didn't, and still haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmmnx Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Man that finish was almost a disaster. Awful timing by Jericho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...TG Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 The Dudleys were stale as shit in WWE during the Ruthless Aggression Era and that is why they were split up. Despite spending some time away from WWE, it was like they never left when they returned...and that is NOT a compliment. Much like with Del Rio, WWE just has this magic about itself to make big returns not mean anything or be special in less than a week. The camouflage, entrance pyro, music, etc. all doesn't help. A Bully Ray run is really needed at this point as I have no interest in the Dudleys' act. The Jericho "IT" stuff is gold. Love it! Agreed. They looked, acted, and sounded like a tired nostalgia act. If you didn't see their work outside the WWE, you'd think they had not evolved one iota in their ten years away. I can understand starting out with the familiar, the tried and true, but they should have quickly moved beyond that. They didn't, and still haven't. They're in their mid-40s, and even when they were good they weren't particularly good. Their ceiling at this point in their career is JTTS nostalgia act, and that's fine. If they were on top of the tag division we'd be complaining about WWE not pushing the young teams. Or I would, at least. And as I say that, Jericho & Owens go over the insanely over young team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Awesome , "I love you man!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 They're in their mid-40s, and even when they were good they weren't particularly good. Their ceiling at this point in their career is JTTS nostalgia act, and that's fine. If they were on top of the tag division we'd be complaining about WWE not pushing the young teams. Or I would, at least. And as I say that, Jericho & Owens go over the insanely over young team. I never said they should be on top. But it no longer means anything when they put anyone over. There has to be a happy medium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted August 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Of the people who would have benefited from getting the pin here in 2016, Jericho was not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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