PTBN GWWE

[soup23]

Over at PTBN, we are starting the process of discussing and ranking the Greatest Wrestler Ever for WWE. The span of time we are going for is from 1953 - current day and we are asking for lists in the top 100.

 

Below is a link to the facebook discussion forum as well as the rules. For me personally, this will be an interesting list because of how much weight I'll give to the workrate quotient considering the recent tendency for WWE to have really good workrate output. You think about someone like Steve Austin and the amount of ****+ matches he had in WWF and it really may not be as many as someone like say Roman Reigns by this point. How much do I weight that?

 

Will gladly be happy for any PWOers to jump into the discussion which kicked off last night and surprised me with the interaction and quality.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/498288050516643/

 

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11_CDj7NYjZiiK2lobC-FZKPE8rFiEf0NB-6DO4vOpE0/edit

[Grimmas]

In ring or adding importance and other stuff in?

[soup23]

On the guide, we created a NJPW system as a metric which does have promo ability as one of the four prongs. In addition the N has intangibles and big moments.

[Jimmy Redman]

Well, ok. Back down the rabbit hole I go.

[ohtani's jacket]

Sounds like fun. I am sure common sense will dictate. Roman Reigns is not as good as Steve Austin. He is like an ideal version of Kevin Nash. That has its merits but I am sure you will rate Austin higher in the cold light of day.

[Bigelow34]

Well, ok. Back down the rabbit hole I go.

 

Thrilled to have you aboard JR!

[Cap]

Yeah, I am game for this. I am glad I didn't do a GWE as I wasn't versed enough for my own liking, but it gave ma bit of an itch I haven't been able to scratch. This is very manageable and compelling.

[bradhindsight]

Nice - we already have over 90 people actively participating in the discussion (we're through the nomination process, although they are still open - we're on a phased roll-out for each discussion post). Glad to have you guys onboard.

[AstroBoy]

Just out of curiosity -- is there any non-Facebook location that is hosting this?

[soup23]

Not really. PTBN's main hub of activity is through facebook groups and live chats and we felt that moving it to a message board or other platform would dilute participation.

[Bigelow34]

That said, we are updating the list of nominees and the rules on a google doc, so the info is out there. You can work off that and absolutely submit a list even without joining the FB group, you would just miss the discussion.

 

One option is to create a dummy FB account as well if you want to just be part of this under a pseudonym.

[JKWebb]

That's a good idea. I might have get back on FB just to join the fun.

[elliott]

I'm debating whether or not to participate. My biggest WWE gaps are from when WWE was actually really good. I just kinda want Rey Jr to get another #1 vote.

 

Well, ok. Back down the rabbit hole I go.

 

I wanted to point out that Kofi Kingston made your top 35 WWE wrestlers in GWE. With an extra 18 months can Kofi crack the top 30???

[Jimmy Redman]

I'm debating whether or not to participate. My biggest WWE gaps are from when WWE was actually really good. I just kinda want Rey Jr to get another #1 vote.

 

Well, ok. Back down the rabbit hole I go.

 

I wanted to point out that Kofi Kingston made your top 35 WWE wrestlers in GWE. With an extra 18 months can Kofi crack the top 30???

 

Why stop there??

 

Mostly I'm wondering just how high I will put Layla.

 

You should definitely get into it though. Rey needs you!

[elliott]

1. Rey Jr

2. Randy Savage

3. Terry Funk/Chainsaw Charlie

4. Sasha Banks

5. Wasn't Perro Aguayo in a Royal Rumble once?

 

 

But seriously, I did have a question about criteria. Should I view them as equal, or is it acceptable if I put more emphasis on say Longevity or Memorable Peak Matches than I do Promo Skills?

 

Additionally, one question about Non-Wrestlers. The Rules in regards to Non Wrestlers Say:

"Non wrestlers ARE eligible if nominated, but you should score and rank them accordingly with the NJPW system, specifically when it comes to workrate or matches"

 

and

 

"However, only on screen performance should be considered. Time spent as a booker, trainer, coach or agent should NOT be factored in."

 

I was wondering about commentary? Should I be thinking about the 1992 Royal Rumble when considering Bobby Heenan for example?

[Bigelow34]

Yes commentary counts because that is on screen. Basically if you want to rank non wrestler performers, just be prepared to know they get a 0 when scoring their "workrate".

 

I don't think you have to score everything evenly, the NJPW system is more of a guide to ensure everyone is factoring in the same criteria and not all over the place. So if you feel one should be weighted more and are consistent with it, I think that works fine too. The issue comes in where someone starts bringing in factors beyond that (like drawing, etc.).

 

Hope you join in!

[Jimmy Redman]

Oh wow, well if commentary counts that just got King and JBL into my plans.

 

1. Rey Jr

2. Randy Savage

3. Terry Funk/Chainsaw Charlie

4. Sasha Banks

5. Wasn't Perro Aguayo in a Royal Rumble once?

 

6. Layla

[Microstatistics]

Seems both challenging and fun.

 

Top 2 for me is easy

 

1. Shawn Michaels

2. Bret Hart

 

Both guys are insanely underrated in the PWO/WKO circles and are subject to, what I feel are, a lot of unfair and wildly exaggerated criticisms.

 

3-100 is not so straight forward.

 

Is there a particular forum for the final list submission?

[conker8]

One major omission is Miguel Perez Senior. How do we nominate someone ?

[soup23]

One major omission is Miguel Perez Senior. How do we nominate someone ?

 

 

There is a pinned discussion post on the facebook page where you can nominate new entries.

[elliott]

Greg Valentine is going to do really really well on my ballot.

[soup23]

 

 

Is there a particular forum for the final list submission?

 

I am sure the final form will take the shape of what the GWE and VOW MOTY look like.

[bradhindsight]

Commentary does not count per se - at least as a standalone. I'm sure some will receive slight boosts for intangibles because of their commentary (Lawler for one).

[soup23]

A couple of key changes that have been included to the updated rules document.

1. We have made the determination to not include strictly on air characters that never wrestled. This resulted in the removal of Jim Cornette, Jimmy Hart, Grand Wizard and Miss Elizabeth from the nominations list. Our reasoning is since we are asking people to use the NJPW system and W stands for workrate, it was unfair to accurately these candidates by that same criteria since they never wrestled. By the same token, if you include the above then Gene Okerlund, Howard Finkel etc should be in consideration.

2. We have also decided that commentary is not a part of the process when judging such candidates like Gorilla Monsoon, Jesse Ventura, Vince McMahon and Jerry Lawler. Please keep that in mind when arguing their cases.

[Jimmy Redman]

Can a couple of you obliging blokes push my Layla and Kelly noms through before they get lost in the shuffle? I'll tell all your friends not to laugh at you, I promise.