Greatest Match Ever Project

[Loss]

I didnt think we should host this but I thought the Military Industrial Suplex folder was a good idea. My judgment is pretty terrible.

[Matt D]

I will say that my firewall does not love the other board when I've popped in.

[elliott]

I didnt think we should host this but I thought the Military Industrial Suplex folder was a good idea. My judgment is pretty terrible.

 

I will say that my firewall does not love the other board when I've popped in.

 

 

I am also not opposed to moving the whole thing over to PWO in the event that Loss has second thoughts on hosting and if folks think it would generate more discussion/participation.

 

And I say that as someone who spent waaay too long nominating the first like 150+ matches

[Matt D]

I am discombobulated by the flurry of people who are apparently starting the Portland set all at once. Is this your doing?

[AstroBoy]

Part of the problem I think is that it is very time-consuming to just think of matches to nominate, write them up, get them nominated, etc. It leaves very little time for anybody to actually discuss the matches themselves because it takes a lot of thought to get everything nominated that you might want to vote on.

 

Part of me wonders if the project wouldn't benefit from less strict nomination type stuff. GWE worked because there are only so many wrestlers and then you can get into the discussion. There are an infinite amount of matches and so many will inevitably get lost in the shuffle. Maybe sub-folders to discuss specific wrestlers, sub-folders for different promotions, sub-folders for different eras would be an interesting way to take it? So you would be sacrificing a thorough list of nominees but it would easier to pop into the Steve Austin folder or something and just start discussing some of his matches. Or you could drop in the NJPW 80s folder and debate between two highly touted matches. Just a thought, and in no way a dismissal of the tireless work that has gone into this. I just know that I haven't kept up in a while because I couldn't get organized enough to nominate everything ahead of time.

[Grimmas]

I am discombobulated by the flurry of people who are apparently starting the Portland set all at once. Is this your doing?

Johnny P

[Johnny P]

Guilty. also, join in if you haven't gone through the set. This is my "my bad" to myself and other people who actually don't care that I'm an idiot. For years I used my personal friendship with w/ Will, Dylan and Pete to periodically lobby for the Portland 80s set to be put together before the window closed (i could feel it coming). I then grabbed a copy after watching the 1977-79 playlist for months at night to prep... and then watched all 8 matches. The first 8 matches. All that after doing like 5 sets prior and taking the whole process like a (very enjoyable) job. I suck. so this is me making it right w/ some friends, and hopefully others that become friends/reconnect.

 

By the way, I found this by accident. I sort of knew this was happening but didn't fully have it as a reality. Love it. Def want to participate. Still in the opening 20 minutes of discovery, so I'll get up to speed and see if participation is possible. Great idea though. thanks, Steven (and others who have helped do this).

[Benbeeach]

This is my first time seeing this and I'm on this board like 2-3x a week lol

yikes. Wonderful idea all the same

[AndyLFC]

Only seeing this now. The funny thing is I was thinking about the GWE project earlier today while driving home and did wonder about a similar project in regards to specific matches. I remember taking part in the AJPW ballot hosted by Ditch back around '08/'09 and I enjoyed that immensely so I'm hoping I can find the time to have a crack at this monster project. Great idea Steven and co!

[Cap]

Good to see people discovering this right now. I am going to try to be as active as possible with this over the summer.

[Cap]

Bump

 

I started my deep dive in for this project recently and am going to try to get as much of it done this summer as possible. It has been a lot of fun watching great matches and thinking about how they stack up to one another.

 

The board discussion has slowed a bit, so I hope those of you who are interested in participating are able to get into the swing soon, start threads, reply, get some discussion going.

[Boss Rock]

I've been able to do more of a deep dive myself. I'll probably come across tons of stuff I've never seen before along the way or re-watch stuff I may not have considered before, but I think I'm at the point where I have about 50-60 matches I feel pretty comfortable with keeping on my final list.

[Microstatistics]

Part of the problem I think is that it is very time-consuming to just think of matches to nominate, write them up, get them nominated, etc. It leaves very little time for anybody to actually discuss the matches themselves because it takes a lot of thought to get everything nominated that you might want to vote on.

 

Part of me wonders if the project wouldn't benefit from less strict nomination type stuff. GWE worked because there are only so many wrestlers and then you can get into the discussion. There are an infinite amount of matches and so many will inevitably get lost in the shuffle. Maybe sub-folders to discuss specific wrestlers, sub-folders for different promotions, sub-folders for different eras would be an interesting way to take it? So you would be sacrificing a thorough list of nominees but it would easier to pop into the Steve Austin folder or something and just start discussing some of his matches. Or you could drop in the NJPW 80s folder and debate between two highly touted matches. Just a thought, and in no way a dismissal of the tireless work that has gone into this. I just know that I haven't kept up in a while because I couldn't get organized enough to nominate everything ahead of time.

 

I agree 100% with this. I think the strict nomination process is actually hurting discussion and participation (opposite of the original intent). I think if a person nominates a match, it should automatically be eligible to vote on. This would actually free up time for interesting discussions and topics and be less of a burden on everybody.

 

Enforcing a deadline before which everything has to be nominated is fair (for statistical processing or however way the final list is determined). I'm not in charge but I request Grimmas or whoever is responsible to change the nomination policy.

[Cap]

This is a good point, worth at least some serious discussion. I will bring it up to Elliot and Grimmas

[Grimmas]

Is having three people believe a match is worth voting on really that much of a hurdle?

For example if we go with essentially every match is nominated if one person wants it, the list of matches just balloons up to ridiculous levels. Also, at that point, are we now nominating matches we have no intention of voting for just for the sake of getting more nominations?

 

That's kind of my fear/thoughts. Part of the fun of these projects is the discussion and if we are voting for a match that, theoretically, only one person even mentions once, what is the point?

 

I'm completely open for change, but that is my thoughts.

[supremebve]

Is having three people believe a match is worth voting on really that much of a hurdle?

 

For example if we go with essentially every match is nominated if one person wants it, the list of matches just balloons up to ridiculous levels. Also, at that point, are we now nominating matches we have no intention of voting for just for the sake of getting more nominations?

 

That's kind of my fear/thoughts. Part of the fun of these projects is the discussion and if we are voting for a match that, theoretically, only one person even mentions once, what is the point?

 

I'm completely open for change, but that is my thoughts.

I agree with this. If a match can't convince 3 people that it is worth considering, it's probably not worth considering.

[Microstatistics]

Is having three people believe a match is worth voting on really that much of a hurdle?

 

For example if we go with essentially every match is nominated if one person wants it, the list of matches just balloons up to ridiculous levels. Also, at that point, are we now nominating matches we have no intention of voting for just for the sake of getting more nominations?

 

That's kind of my fear/thoughts. Part of the fun of these projects is the discussion and if we are voting for a match that, theoretically, only one person even mentions once, what is the point?

 

I'm completely open for change, but that is my thoughts.

 

But it's not encouraging discussion, that's sort of my point. Most, if not all, of the interesting debates are taking place in the discussion folder. I don't know, maybe it's me but the nomination process just feels like an obligation. Also a giant number of matches being nominated was always going to be an issue with this kind of project. But I seriously doubt people will nominate random matches they are not considering for their lists.

 

 

 

Is having three people believe a match is worth voting on really that much of a hurdle?

 

For example if we go with essentially every match is nominated if one person wants it, the list of matches just balloons up to ridiculous levels. Also, at that point, are we now nominating matches we have no intention of voting for just for the sake of getting more nominations?

 

That's kind of my fear/thoughts. Part of the fun of these projects is the discussion and if we are voting for a match that, theoretically, only one person even mentions once, what is the point?

 

I'm completely open for change, but that is my thoughts.

I agree with this. If a match can't convince 3 people that it is worth considering, it's probably not worth considering.

 

 

This is assuming people have actively watched the matches nominated and thought they weren't good enough, which is a huge leap. More likely is that they haven't got to them yet.

[supremebve]

 

Is having three people believe a match is worth voting on really that much of a hurdle?

 

For example if we go with essentially every match is nominated if one person wants it, the list of matches just balloons up to ridiculous levels. Also, at that point, are we now nominating matches we have no intention of voting for just for the sake of getting more nominations?

 

That's kind of my fear/thoughts. Part of the fun of these projects is the discussion and if we are voting for a match that, theoretically, only one person even mentions once, what is the point?

 

I'm completely open for change, but that is my thoughts.

 

But it's not encouraging discussion, that's sort of my point. Most, if not all, of the interesting debates are taking place in the discussion folder. I don't know, maybe it's me but the nomination process just feels like an obligation. Also a giant number of matches being nominated was always going to be an issue with this kind of project. But I seriously doubt people will nominate random matches they are not considering for their lists.

 

 

 

Is having three people believe a match is worth voting on really that much of a hurdle?

 

For example if we go with essentially every match is nominated if one person wants it, the list of matches just balloons up to ridiculous levels. Also, at that point, are we now nominating matches we have no intention of voting for just for the sake of getting more nominations?

 

That's kind of my fear/thoughts. Part of the fun of these projects is the discussion and if we are voting for a match that, theoretically, only one person even mentions once, what is the point?

 

I'm completely open for change, but that is my thoughts.

I agree with this. If a match can't convince 3 people that it is worth considering, it's probably not worth considering.

 

 

This is assuming people have actively watched the matches nominated and thought they weren't good enough, which is a huge leap. More likely is that they haven't got to them yet.

 

There are 5 pages of matches in the 90s nomination folder, all of them have gotten enough votes (This is the only one from the 80s list There is nothing stopping you from campaigning for a match, matter of fact it should be encouraged. My point is, almost every match is going to get the votes, and if you think a match isn't getting its due you can bring it up in the discussion page.

[fxnj]

The 3 people nominating matches is something that I'll agree seems nice on paper, but in practice I don't think it's really paid off. It seems like most of the posts have ended up being people 2nding or 3rding matches just to make them eligible for voting, while you wouldn't have any sort of worries like that play a factor at all if all that was necessary was to have 1 person nominate a match.

[Boss Rock]

My issue with the 3 person nomination is that I'm not sure there's enough participation to make it a more objective process. It seems like there are only 6-7 of us in the active discussions and when it comes down to 6-7 people, then it's more of a matter of personal tastes rather than whether or not something is objectively good. If there was more participation, then I agree getting three nominations wouldn't be such an issue.

[AstroBoy]

I haven't posted over there in a while but playing devil's advocate here -- I nominated a few matches at one point and they were quickly just buried in the nomination folder with no replies at all. This isn't about me but a more general issue of if people are nominating matches and there is no actual discussion about the matches, then so much stuff just gets lost in the shuffle. It's not like people are not seconding or thirding a lot of these nominations, it's that they aren't getting any discussion at all.

 

I think the thing is that there are just SO MANY MORE matches than there are wrestlers, and therefore you have so much ground to cover just to nominate things you think you might vote for. And even then, you're probably missing or forgetting some stuff. It's just a tall task to try to get everyone to nominate everything they want while also getting others to vouch for them or disagree with them, and then leave time to actually watch other stuff.

[Cap]

Elliot, Grimmas, and I discussed the issue and are in the process of coming to some conclusions that we hope work for everyone and the integrity of the project. Hopefully we can sort a logistics that will encourage more match discussion.

[Boss Rock]

That's good to hear. And whatever is decided upon is fine because I'm having way too much fun with this project

[Cap]

I really am too. There are way worse things I could be doing with parts of my summer than watching top shelf wrestling.

[AstroBoy]

Yeah no matter what I am just happy that you all put this project together. So many matches to check out.