KawadaSmile Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Please end this Strowman/Corbin feud it feels like Groundhog Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirEdger Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 I can't believe that the best thing they can come up for Braun is a feud with Baron Corbin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 And we still have another PPV to get through before Wrestlemania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 They sign pretty much every talent available everywhere, yet they still push (scratch that, use is offensive enough) Baron Corbin on TV and big shows. This company... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Is tonight the night Becky comes out on a zamboni? Or do they have to run the beer truck angle first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Also: Kofi's attempt at capturing the WWE Title was pretty much universally adored, by fans and his peers. However, there was one dissonant voice, salty about him being there. Lana. Honestly, no wonder Rusev can't have a big break. When you have one integral part to your act openly going against everything management is doing, you are going to get heat. Saying shit like Ronda can't draw ratings and isn't a game changer, and that Rusev deserved the Elimination Chamber spot over Kofi, no matter how true those statements are or not, are just... bad. Specially for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Honestly, Lana is someone who has been given opportunity after opportunity and should just be grateful she even got to the dance in the first place. They canned her when they decided the act had run it's course and she was fortunate enough to convince them to let her train and wrestle. And she's terrible. They put the act back together but it's nowhere close to the same. We all love Rusev and see the potential there, but there is a locker room full of capable men and women working hard to keep their spot. This idea that every single one of them is gonna headline WrestleMania if only they got the chance is silly and now everything thinks they're Daniel Bryan in 2014. So maybe she needs to settle down and let her SO be the mid-carder he's destined to be if that's what they want to do with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlittlekitten Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Where is this Lana hate coming from? I watched tthe I’m salty video and thought it was solid stuff promo wise. Why the hell wouldn’t she want her partner in the chamber match?  Is there a bigger story going on here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, Badlittlekitten said: Where is this Lana hate coming from? I watched tthe I’m salty video and thought it was solid stuff promo wise. Why the hell wouldn’t she want her partner in the chamber match?  Is there a bigger story going on here? She's been vocal on social media about everyone hating her and generally being unlikable (and not in a "I'm being my character" wrestling way) to the point it colors everything she does now. It seems pretty clear that she ends up rubbing nearly everyone she interacts with the wrong way.  Also WWE is announcing DX will be the first entry in the HOF this year as a whole group (HHH, HBK, Chyna, X Pac, Road Dogg, and Billy Gunn). I suppose Hunter and Steph don't worry about their kids googling Chyna anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, sek69 said: I suppose Hunter and Steph don't worry about their kids googling Chyna anymore. They are more worried about people googling Saudi Arabia these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Paige stating it was the fans rather than the company that kept women wrestling from being taken seriously is some next level corporate shilling/historical revisioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirEdger Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Funny how when TNA instilled the Knockouts division, no fan of their product saw their matches as bathroom breaks as opposed to WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afro Steel Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 That Rusev/Lana appearance on Lilian Garcia's podcast was a good look at why Lana probably rubs a lot of people the wrong way. By her own admission, the cultural differences growing up where she did instilled a lot of self-doubt and feelings of isolation that she seems to still be dealing with. Not excusing her, but it seems clear she has yet to really work out all of the baggage that sort of upbringing gave her. Shame for Rusev's sake, because he seems like a relaxed kind of guy on top of the obvious skills he has to offer within the wrestling industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 44 minutes ago, sek69 said: Paige stating it was the fans rather than the company that kept women wrestling from being taken seriously is some next level corporate shilling/historical revisioning. Oh, for fuck's sake. 24 minutes ago, SirEdger said: Funny how when TNA instilled the Knockouts division, no fan of their product saw their matches as bathroom breaks as opposed to WWE. They only featured Amazing Kong vs Gail Kim as the hottest part of their product in... well... 2007. Which got the biggest rated segment of iMPACT back then. And only had a women tag team title a whole decade before WWE did... With fucking Vince Russo at the helm. Fuck Paige and her corporate ass. You work for a company getting shitload of money from a criminal regime treating women as third class human beings. And now you're blaming the *fans* for years of pillow battle royale ? Yeah, those WWE feminists people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 What did Paige say exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downend2005 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, El-P said: Oh, for fuck's sake. They only featured Amazing Kong vs Gail Kim as the hottest part of their product in... well... 2007. Which got the biggest rated segment of iMPACT back then. And only had a women tag team title a whole decade before WWE did... With fucking Vince Russo at the helm. Fuck Paige and her corporate ass. You work for a company getting shitload of money from a criminal regime treating women as third class human beings. And now you're blaming the *fans* for years of pillow battle royale ? Yeah, those WWE feminists people... A TNA Women’s Tag Team Championship with the longest reigning champions being ODB... and Eric Young. And let’s not forget ODB and Cody Deaner feuding over who was the real knockouts champion. Or the Beautiful People having mud matches, or the lockbox challenge with one competitor being forced to perform a striptease for that matter. And all of that happened after 2007, so let’s not hold TNA/Impact to some higher standard of treating their women’s division better just because Gail Kim and Awesome Kong had a good series of matches and they didn’t have a deal with Saudi Arabia. And is the term ‘knockout’ any better than ‘diva’?     Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Downend2005 said: And all of that happened after 2007, Yeah, because Vince Russo gained more and more power and Dutch Mantell, who was responsible for pushing the women, eventually got fired. 11 minutes ago, Downend2005 said: so let’s not hold TNA/Impact to some higher standard of treating their women’s division better just because Gail Kim and Awesome Kong had a good series of matches Well, it's not a matter of holding someone to higher standards, it's just facts. TNA promoted serious women pro-wrestling way before WWE. That's a simple fact. Of course it turned bad, because it always did with TNA. But WWE is still way behind the times (let's not talk about Japan, that would be unfair), and to blame the fans for it is just amazingly hypocritical. Well, maybe if WWE buys iMPACT's library, Gail Kim and Amazing Kong will get their dues, but until then revisionist history will still be running rampant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downend2005 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, El-P said: Yeah, because Vince Russo gained more and more power and Dutch Mantell, who was responsible for pushing the women, eventually got fired. Well, it's not a matter of holding someone to higher standards, it's just facts. TNA promoted serious women pro-wrestling way before WWE. That's a simple fact. Of course it turned bad, because it always did with TNA. But WWE is still way behind the times (let's not talk about Japan, that would be unfair), and to blame the fans for it is just amazingly hypocritical. Well, maybe if WWE buys iMPACT's library, Gail Kim and Amazing Kong will get their dues, but until then revisionist history will still be running rampant. You’ve now managed to squeeze in Saudi Arabia, Impact and Japan into a WWE thread, that’s a full house! All joking aside, WWE ‘promoted’ Alundra Blayze vs Bull Nakano in 1994, way before TNA ever existed. The WWF had a women’s champion and women’s tag team champions decades before TNA ever existed, and way before the pillowfights, lumberjill matches that they themselves promoted. The Jumping bomb angels vs The Glamour Girls produced some great matches in 1987, for example. Now of course thats not to say that everything the WWE produced back then was excellent, because that’s not true, but serious wrestling doesn’t necessarily equal ‘good’ wrestling, like what you are suggesting with Gail vs Kong. Now it’s easy to dismiss that and say that both of those examples that I gave feature Japanese talent, but they WERE promoted by WWE. And WWE are now regularly promoting Women as the main event segment on tv and on PPV, their most popular performer is a woman, their biggest name is a woman, and women will almost definitely be main eventing wrestlemania. Impact, by comparison have some good to great women wrestlers, but none of whom are promoted as the main attraction. Did TNA have women ever main event a show despite them drawing their biggest ratings? What about Impact? If anything, based on how and who they promote, it is them who are currently ‘behind the times’.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 58 minutes ago, Ricky Jackson said: What did Paige say exactly? Said it's the fans fault women's wrestling was marginalized because people would chant "boring", "we want puppies", or start the wave during their matches. Which is of course 100% something the fans did spontaneously on their own and not at all because that's how the company presented them at the time. Clearly the fans should have been more appricative of the 30 second classics the company was generously sharing with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, Downend2005 said: All joking aside, WWE ‘promoted’ Alundra Blayze vs Bull Nakano in 1994, way before TNA ever existed. The WWF had a women’s champion and women’s tag team champions decades before TNA ever existed, and way before the pillowfights, lumberjill matches that they themselves promoted. The Jumping bomb angels vs The Glamour Girls produced some great matches in 1987, for example. Now of course thats not to say that everything the WWE produced back then was excellent, because that’s not true, but serious wrestling doesn’t necessarily equal ‘good’ wrestling, like what you are suggesting with Gail vs Kong. Now it’s easy to dismiss that and say that both of those examples that I gave feature Japanese talent, but they WERE promoted by WWE. Well, apparently, that doesn't count since the current history teach us that real women's wrestling began with Stephy's #WWEWomensevolution. 21 minutes ago, Downend2005 said: And WWE are now regularly promoting Women as the main event segment on tv and on PPV, their most popular performer is a woman, their biggest name is a woman, and women will almost definitely be main eventing wrestlemania. And ironically enough, less and less women watching apparently. I know what you're saying, but you're missing the point by focusing on the TNA stuff (which I did not even mentioned first, I was just responding to another post, and like you said, I would throw tons of other shit to counter the ridiculous hypocrisy and revisionism). The point is that Paige is so full of shit with her statement that it was the fans and not the promotion (we're talking about WWE here) which were responsible for the women not being taken seriously. She's now talking about women getting "We want puppies" chants back in the day. Oh yeah. And that was because why and of whom already ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted February 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 I kinda get what's she saying (despite disagreeing with it) and some of the women still get shit, with some criticisms being grossly exaggerated. It's more of the women, specially in the Attitude Era, being treated with contempt by WWE, and that carried over to the audiences. "If management treats them as shit in their angles and whatnot, why should the audience behave any differently"Â is the feeling I get. Although come on. She's basically retired and is in a comfortable position with the company. Wouldn't expect much more than the corporativist take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 There's towing the company line, and there's saying shit so patently the opposite of the truth it makes people wonder if your brain got replaced by a corporate robot. I mean, you could argue that the company gives as little of a shit about the 205 Live guys, yet they end up able to get a reaction when they get put on the opening of a PPV because they are given the time to. So even the talent on the very bottom of the totem pole on the men's side got more of a change to get themselves over than the top of the women's side back then.There are numerous examples of women talking about how they were told to not overshadow the men, and it wasn't until an enviroment was created separate from the WWE main roster did women's wrestling ever get a fair shot at showing what they can offer. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted February 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 Wait what the fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 NXT Takeover: Raw Edition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...TG Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 Pretty cool that these guys are getting the HHH-led rollout, but that lack of crowd response is something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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