Mad Dog Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I'm loving SMW so far. I've gotten to see bits and pieces here but I've never been able to see it from episode 1 and just watch as the roster and storylines develop. I like how they run their big angle one week and then have the blowoff match the next week. I haven't even gotten to the Heavenly Bodies debuting yet. The Ron Wright angle has also been great so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHawk Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Cena came off looking really bad (I can't answer the steroid question because I can't prove I didn't do it), but that one answer was the only thing that made the show out of an hour-long interview. DYnamite Kid, on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 On the WO site, there's a Raw house show report from Australia which says that Harcore Holly and Cody Rhodes wrestled three matches, the last two in a row. Any idea what the hell they'd do that for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Unedited footage shows CNN did an embarrassing job in Cena interview by Dave Meltzer [email protected] The WWE web site today showed the unedited CNN interview with John Cena that was used in Wednesday night's "Death Grip: Inside Pro Wrestling" special. The result showed an editing process that, by taking a quote out of context, made it appear John Cena was cavalierly admitting steroid use, and teasing that he couldn't be caught, making him come off very bad in the process. On the contrary, Cena said largely what you would expect him to say. He was well spoken, and whether you believe him or not, issued a complete denial when asked if he had ever used steroids, even in his football and bodybuilding days. "Absolutely not," was his response. The quote that they used was part of a long answer regarding society, that whenever an athlete sets a standard or does something impressive, people immediately accuse them of doing performance enhancing drugs. His response was that people are going to believe what they want, and even though he's passed drug tests, people will still believe what they believe. But, he noted, no matter what they believe or what he says, they can't prove it. Cena overall spoke well in the interview. He was a little contradictory at different points on the steroid issue. At one point, when asked what he thought of others who are using steroids in his profession, he would not say anything negative about them. At another point, he said that athletes who fail tests for drugs that are illegal should be put up on criminal charges and be sent to prison, saying steroids should be treated in a legal sense the same as cocaine. There is no excuse for the complete manipulation of his words, particularly on such a sensitive issue. It sadly ruins the credibility of what was, for the most part, a well put together piece. Well now Vince's "OMG MEDIA OUT TO GET US" paranoia is somewhat justified. I can't wait for the 20 minute rant on RAW this week that you just know is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Not the first time this has happened to them. Remember the Dateline where they played mix-n-match with Mick Foley's answers to questions regarding backyard wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHawk Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 And somehow it's considered acceptable reporting. Stuff like that is why I have a degree in journalism but never used it. Too many unethical things like that going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Man, you would think the pro wrestling situation is fucked up enough that they wouldn't feel the need to do shit like that. Oy vey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 lol @ this ridiculous bullcrap going on at the TNA ppv: Abyss vs. Black Reign in a Shop of Horrors match opens the show. This was ridiculous. We had a barbed wire bat used by Reign within 5:30 of the opener. There was a choke slam by Abyss on Reign off the ramp. There was a pedigree on mouse traps by Reign. Abyss ducked a shot with with Knux and used a black hole slam for the pin. After the match, Abyss unlocked a box and some bodybuilder in a Muta-like mask blew mist in Abyss' eyes and he and Reign beat up Abyss, put him in the box and threw him off the ramp. Then they cut away like nothing had happened. All in the opener and in 15 minutes you pretty much can see 80% of what's wrong with TNA in highlights form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 "some bodybuilder in a Muta-like mask" If that means TNA brought in someone under the GREAT MUTA USA gimmick, I will never say anything bad about them again. EDIT: Alvarez referred to him as "Johnny the Bull with a new gimmick." Johnny the Bull was the last guy to do the GREAT MUTA USA gimmick. Even if it's just the same outfit, I love TNA. It takes real effort to be that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 As if there was any doubt, Jericho on the cover of an upcoming WWE Magazine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 On a recent Fig 4 Podcast of the Bryan and Vinny show they were discussing the stips for the upcoming main event between HBK and Orton. Vinny thought Michaels had been reading DVDVR and wanted to prove he did other things besides the superkick. Vinny made the claim that someone on DVDVR said that all HBK could do was superkick.Alvarez thought this was impossible, and that their was no way Michaels read DVDVR. This was actually pretty funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 I'm not saying no one in the business ever goes on wrestling web sites, but to think the booking of a major PPV is based on someone saying mean words on the interweb is some pretty serious self-delusion. He had to be trying to yank Alvarez's chain with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 I thought it was obvious that they came up with the no superkick stipulation as a storyline reason for why Shawn would have to resort to using the Sharpshooter as his finisher for the first time in ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Do people on the DVDVR actually complain that all he does is superkick...so much as wish he wouldn't do anything but the superkick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Yeah, I was thinking I don't recall seeing that criticism of Michaels either, really. If they were booking Michaels as a reflection of general DVDVR thoughts about him, there are plenty of other directions they would go. Maybe have him in gay angles and hair vs hair matches. The stip at Survivor Series would be that he's not allowed to wear sequins in his entrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Reading the WWE 24/7 thread at DVDVR got me to think, I can totally see how someone can have strong opinions pro and con about David Crockett as an announcer, but how can anyone be a real fan of pro wrestling and dislike Gorilla Monsoon? Dude was *the* voice of the WWF during its breakthrough period, and I can't think of a better "big match" announcer. Seriously, if I'm watching some 80s WWF and Gorilla isn't calling the match it just sounds weird to me. That's not even taking into account the chemistry he had with whoever he was partnered with. Gorilla and Jesse might be my favorite combination ever, and his pairing with Bobby Heenan goes without saying. He even made Al Hayes sound halfway intelligent, which is quite the feat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 The only people I would think that would dislike Gorilla is hardcore NWA anti WWF fans. And even then, They had to sit through Tony Schivonie. I agree, I don't know how anyone can dislike Gorilla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHawk Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Outside of Gorilla's liberal use of "literally" ("he's literally beating the brains out of him"), I can't see any argument against Gorilla either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 The main problem with Gorilla is that he bantered off subject too much, which sometimes felt like an attempt to get himself over. It was worse with Heenan than Jesse. I think he was decent to good on big shows, but horrible on Coliseum Video and MSG shows, because he would talk about anything but the match. He also spoke in generalizations too much (right in the kisser, external occipital pretuberance, etc.) instead of actually getting over holds. He made things up completely off the top of his head, complained about bad matches instead of trying to cover for them and lots of other stuff I'm forgetting. I don't see how anyone could listen to Jim Ross in the same time period when both were calling PPVs and still think Gorilla was anything special. In fairness to Gorilla, part of the problem with him is part of the problem with the WWF style overall. He was just a cog in the wheel. Also, and I'm sure that this will be disagreed with by some people, but Southern wrestling is about 100 million times better than any wrestling in the Northeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 No love for Gorilla? 'Give me a break!' Actually I agree for the most part. Lust the other night I was watching an old Coliseum tape with a match between Jake Roberts and Scotty McGhee and somehow Monsoon and Ladd got talking about Migeul Perez and how his son started wrestling, and I sat there asking myself how they got onto that topic and what the point of it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Personally, I think the only reason I'm as fond of Gorilla's commentary as I am is because I grew up with it. I imagine in another time in another part of the country, I'd probably have a different opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Also, and I'm sure that this will be disagreed with by some people, but Southern wrestling is about 100 million times better than any wrestling in the Northeast. Better in what sense? Matches? Angles? Promos? MOVEZ~!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Actually, yes, all of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Well TNA runs in the south, and ROH runs in the northeast, are you saying TNA > ROH in those departments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Too bad the true old southern style style (Crockett NWA, Watts UWF, etc) is dead. I've worked hundreds of indy shows in the South, and in my experience when someone claims to work "southern style" or "old school" it tends to be code for "lazy sack of non-working crap". The aging veterans and mindless young copycats we have left claim to be "southern style", but they mostly tend to represent the worst of Memphs with endless stalling, overreliance on dumb gimmicks like the dog leash chain of death, and when they do finally actually get to the wrestling it tends to be a billion armdrags followed by a rollup for the finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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