Tim Evans Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 From reading a bunch of RSPW posts from late '94 apparently the scheduled Austin appearance was due to some legal action over WCW using the "When Worlds Collide" name for the AAA pay-per-view when ECW had used the name for a show months earlier. Of course, that doesn't explain why the ECW When Worlds Collide show itself featured Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton. Because both were close with Paul E and it was after they were fired from WCW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 From reading a bunch of RSPW posts from late '94 apparently the scheduled Austin appearance was due to some legal action over WCW using the "When Worlds Collide" name for the AAA pay-per-view when ECW had used the name for a show months earlier. Of course, that doesn't explain why the ECW When Worlds Collide show itself featured Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton. Because both were close with Paul E and it was after they were fired from WCW? Anderson and Eaton? Both were fully employed by WCW at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 From reading a bunch of RSPW posts from late '94 apparently the scheduled Austin appearance was due to some legal action over WCW using the "When Worlds Collide" name for the AAA pay-per-view when ECW had used the name for a show months earlier. Of course, that doesn't explain why the ECW When Worlds Collide show itself featured Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton.And it still doesn't make sense, because why would they be using Pillman when he was also employed by WCW at the time? Austin was hurt at this point and WCW sent Pillman as a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 I thought they had an under the table deal at that point, like WWF and ECW did later on. Wasn't part of the Loose Cannon angle supposed to be that Pillman would spend time in ECW to sell being fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 This was WAY before the Loose Cannon angle. Pillman was actually wrestling, had long hair, and was wearing his Hollywood Blondes gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 November 19, 1994 # Ron Simmons & Too Cold Scorpio beat Shane Douglas & Brian Pillman when Simmons pinned Douglas. From Prowrestlinghistory.com. Did you mean to say they teamed in a match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 It may have been. ECW singles matches sometimes turned into tag matches after an angle, but I know this was scheduled as Austin vs Douglas and Pillman ended up replacing Douglas. At least how that's started. I had no idea Pillman was ever in ECW outside of the fake shoot at Cyberslam '96, and the Blondes gear threw me off, because he and Austin did their breakup angle in November of 1993. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Pillman wore the Blondes gear for almost 2 years after the split while he had zero push. When he became California Brian, he finally got new gear. The match in question was indeed part of a settlement over the When World's Collide name (as the belt spitting put a damper on their previous relationship) that also got Kevin Sullivan to return for one night, as well. Storyline-wise, 2 weeks earlier at November to Remember, Scorpio helped Simmons beat up Douglas after the Douglas-Simmons title match. Later in the show on an interview stage that didn't exist afterwards (and may not have beforehand), Douglas made a phone call to Sherri Martell, asked for help, and she got him Austin (along with promising to make her return for one night), but it was derailed by hs injury and Pillman was the surprise replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 John, I've seen you mention elsewhere that the Japanese wrestlers prepared better for the punishment. How did they do it? Just curious. I don't recall saying this. Can you point me to a post or something so I can see what was said? John I went back and read the thread I was thinking of, and that's not what you were saying. My bad. Where is the thread? I'd be interested in reading what other stupid things I may have been saying at the time. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 John, I've seen you mention elsewhere that the Japanese wrestlers prepared better for the punishment. How did they do it? Just curious. I don't recall saying this. Can you point me to a post or something so I can see what was said? John I went back and read the thread I was thinking of, and that's not what you were saying. My bad. Where is the thread? I'd be interested in reading what other stupid things I may have been saying at the time. John http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?showtopic=4751 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Basically seem to be watching about one match a month these days, but I've enjoyed the couple I've seen. Tonight I totally randomly decided to chuck in Hogan v Warrior from WM6, and ended up thinking this is probably the best Wrestlemania event ever. - Forgot the incredible heat this match had, Warrior especially seemed crazily over - Totally captures the 'epic feel' more than any match I've seen - Selling is actually fantastic apart from the superhuman bits, the fatigue is put over extremely well - Strangely believable action, everything looked pretty impactful, and they were getting false finishes off back suplexes - Best bits were when they lost in and just started raking each others eyes and exchanging shots on the outside - Commentary was awesome, puts the likes of Michael Cole to shame. The end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Yeah Cole used to write for the Simpsons and his Yid propaganda really ruins matches for me to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Yeah Cole used to write for the Simpsons and his Yid propaganda really ruins matches for me to. Michael Cole used to write for The Simpsons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Yeah Cole used to write for the Simpsons and his Yid propaganda really ruins matches for me to. Michael Cole used to write for The Simpsons? Michael Cole is Jewish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Did you guys notice that Dave called Morishima a better worker than Gordy in the latest Observer? I know he's expressed love for him previously but good lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 That ROH PPV review was really bizarre, it felt like he was strongly pushing an agenda of ROH fans being better than WWE fans because they're more open to new ideas, which was hilariously off-base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I'm pretty sure that Cole was an ex-Simpsons writer. I've read that a bunch of times. Cole's not Jewish which is why I pulled in the Simpsons reference as he has worked as part of Jew Hollywood Satire Propaganda Machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Speaking of Cole I was reading the March 3rd Observer and their was this piece on Coachman [All grammar transcribed from Meltzer] a few weeks back, when Undertaker was brawling by the announcers table, he stayed in position when the action came close when the announcers are supposed to run away to sell danger and they need to not be there. he was punished [for this] by having to go in the ring after a show and take several main eveners' finishes. I belive he had to take a tombstone from Undertaker, a spear by Batista and a shillelagh shot by Finlay. So couple thought: 1) How completely ridiculous it is for a publicly traded company to be behaving like this. Does Coachman have a broadcasting degree? Its not just that you won't see this in a white collar job (Fred doesn't meet his quota so the boss has other secretaries hit him with file cabinets). But I don't even think I could get away with that if I ran a Mexican garment factory. Paola ruins two pairs of jeans so the factory boss has all the other girls on the factory floor stick her with sewing needles. 2)Michael Cole has been in the WWF/E for about a decade. In that time I can't remember him ever being physically punished for anything. He has been verbally browbeaten and put in humiliating situations (even there all I got is the Heidenreich rape angle). But during that ten year period Ross has been beaten till he lost sight in one eye and been repeatedly physically punished for stuff, Coachman has been physically punished numerous times, and even Josh Mathews gets punched in the mouth. I can't remember ever reading about anything happening to Cole. Whatever the Observer poll voters may think of Cole, he is clearly someone that the office thinks is doing a good job. Either that or I'm forgetting something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Didn't Cole get beat up by Austin at one point? I seem to remember him getting his shirt ripped off and laughing at the fact that he of all people had a tattoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Evil Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 That ROH PPV review was really bizarre, it felt like he was strongly pushing an agenda of ROH fans being better than WWE fans because they're more open to new ideas, which was hilariously off-base. Why is the thought hilariously off-base? So you're basically saying here that the WWE fans more open to new ideas than the ROH fans? Why's that? Not arguing any side but just wondering why your thoughts are the way they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 No, that ROH fans being extremely open is a fake talking point that isn't actually true and only exists to put over the promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I just want to add how much I'm liking the new doctrine of having the announcers lay out during big moments. I really hope someone from TNA notices that not every highspot needs constant screaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 No, that ROH fans being extremely open is a fake talking point that isn't actually true and only exists to put over the promotion. Haven't read the observer piece but it is a fed that has taken several sharp changes in directions that the fanbase has been willing to accept. I'd credit that more to the booking than to the fans...and honestly it wouldn't come off as impressive booking if it wasn't for how shitty the major US promotions are at doing restarts and direction changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 It helps that most of their loyal fanbase hero-worships Gabe, and thinks he can do no wrong. So whatever he puts out, they love it. Whatever change of direction, they see it as innovative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Didn't Cole get beat up by Austin at one point? I seem to remember him getting his shirt ripped off and laughing at the fact that he of all people had a tattoo. There was all the DX stuff in the early going of Cole's WWF run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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