sek69 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, C.S. said: True, but to be fair, I don't consider the current NWA Title to be the same one Dusty won. They're not even in the same ballpark, no matter what the company and its fans may claim. I mean it is the same championship being promoted by the same company so it *is* the same title Dusty won, all be it with like 1/50th the prestige. It's a lot closer Dusty's legacy than the title of the company that went back and forth between trying to put the people who he worked for out of business and making fun of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, KawadaSmile said: Toxic Attraction vs Dakota/Raquel was flames, but why even do the title change? NXT is great but some of the results from Stand and Deliver really feel weird given what we are getting. I'm guessing once they decided to strap up Bron on Raw, they changed the women's tag so the NXT crowd would still see a title win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, KawadaSmile said: Toxic Attraction vs Dakota/Raquel was flames, but why even do the title change? NXT is great but some of the results from Stand and Deliver really feel weird given what we are getting. They decided a number of NXTers are being called up to Smackdown. This show is/will be heavy on "spoilers". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 OMG IT'S TIME FOR THE MAIN EVENT NIKITA LYONS VS LASH LEGEND BAYBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 Damn, some fuckers in the crowd are trying to get themselves over. Fuck that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 That was actually pretty dope. Lash doing backflips and all that was legit impressive, and Lyons has SMOOTH kicks. It was more than a meme, fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 46 minutes ago, C.S. said: True, but to be fair, I don't consider the current NWA Title to be the same one Dusty won. They're not even in the same ballpark, no matter what the company and its fans may claim. It's not about what the stature of the title was before. He (impressively!) made winning that title seem like the most important thing in wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 Imagine buying a ticket to NXT just to chant how you want Ziggler as your champ. True loser behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 jesus christ gunther and bron has been violent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 minute ago, KawadaSmile said: jesus christ gunther and bron has been violent Probably Bron's last test before getting the rocket "if he survives this guy beating the shit out of him, he's the next champ" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 what a fucking war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 Oh boy can't wait to have SCOTT STEINER saving hid brother from the clutches of cartoon villain John Gacy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 Did I read that they burned Bron vs Walter on TV with no build or promotion and Walter lost clean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, strobogo said: Did I read that they burned Bron vs Walter on TV with no build or promotion and Walter lost clean? Based on the tag match it looks like Imperium is getting blown up for main roster callups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 So basically for months Bron Breakker's family connection was forbidden. Now that it's been cleared through the HOF, the very first thing they do on TV is a fucking abduction angle, straight out of TNA 2012's Aces & Eights abducting Joseph Parks (and I use this one on purpose, because I actually went through that shit not too long ago and it's the same guy who's in charge of creative). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 So we've changed Walter's name, appearance, music, and beaten him cleanly on TV. Thank God! He was something special and different there for a minute. Glad we got that squashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 Well the good thing is that when he eventually leaves, he can gain weight again and be called WALTER and pretend it wasn't him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 12 hours ago, C.S. said: True, but to be fair, I don't consider the current NWA Title to be the same one Dusty won. They're not even in the same ballpark, no matter what the company and its fans may claim. This made me think of the meme Matt Cardona shared with him compared to multiple time WWF and WCW champions! I thought the craziest part is that while they did separate the lineage officially, WCW tended to include the NWA part of their title’s lineages if they went back that far (Big Gold, US, Tag and TV), which is why Flair’s NWA titles are still indicated when he’s called a 16-time champion. So in affect the former WCW champions in that meme (Hogan, Savage, Sting, Goldberg, Hart) while never officially NWA champions are part of a twisted blend of kayfabe/realistic logic linage with the classic NWA belt. Speaking of warping both kayfabe and realistic reasoning, while it’s “nice” to think from a character standpoint that Cody would want a title his dad got pre-Dusty Finished out of holding some 45 years ago, even thinking in 2022’s kayfabe terms it’s hard to reconcile a company letting an unaffiliated star walk out of a match, that didn’t finish clean, with their title belt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 Listen, bubbas. After last night I dunno if "WALTER being thin removes his menacing aura" is something that sticks. Dude beat the absolute shit out of Bron and looked pretty damn convincing doing it. His GIRTH wasn't what defined his aura, but him bringing in the violence. On the other hand, IMPERIUM basically imploding in one single episode without any build was wack. I still enjoyed he got that title match, tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 Totally disagree. Sure, of course he's still a terrific worker, but he also comes off like "some guy who's a terrific worker" as opposed to WALTER. He has lost shitloads of aura to me. And he has *no shot* in the main roster. None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 I think he was toast the moment he lost a chop exchange to Drew at that Survivor Series match. We just chose to forget that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, SteveJRogers said: This made me think of the meme Matt Cardona shared with him compared to multiple time WWF and WCW champions! I thought the craziest part is that while they did separate the lineage officially, WCW tended to include the NWA part of their title’s lineages if they went back that far (Big Gold, US, Tag and TV), which is why Flair’s NWA titles are still indicated when he’s called a 16-time champion. So in affect the former WCW champions in that meme (Hogan, Savage, Sting, Goldberg, Hart) while never officially NWA champions are part of a twisted blend of kayfabe/realistic logic linage with the classic NWA belt. Speaking of warping both kayfabe and realistic reasoning, while it’s “nice” to think from a character standpoint that Cody would want a title his dad got pre-Dusty Finished out of holding some 45 years ago, even thinking in 2022’s kayfabe terms it’s hard to reconcile a company letting an unaffiliated star walk out of a match, that didn’t finish clean, with their title belt! WCW claimed the lineage of their title went back to 1905 regularly up to the end, which means they counted from George Hackenshmidt through to the National Wrestling Association through to the National Wrestling Alliance up to Vince Russo and David Arquette. Although it makes very little sense considering there was a time period where both the WCW Championship and NWA Championship were defended as separate titles on the same shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 We also have a very blown up version of what WALTER was coming in and regardless of what you thought of him, Vince saw him as “another Cesaro.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, strobogo said: WCW claimed the lineage of their title went back to 1905 regularly up to the end, which means they counted from George Hackenshmidt through to the National Wrestling Association through to the National Wrestling Alliance up to Vince Russo and David Arquette. Although it makes very little sense considering there was a time period where both the WCW Championship and NWA Championship were defended as separate titles on the same shows. Yup. Thankfully the fact that the design was identical was the ONLY link to its past stated into cannon when the WWE brought out the World Heavyweight belt in 2002! They also have they good sense to keep non-affiliated ECW title lineages separate from the WWECW version of the heavyweight strap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 Nah they definitely implied it had the NWA/WCW lineage for a bit. Video packages of the time mention Race, Funks, Brisco, Steamboat and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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