Fando Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Balor wasn't trying to break his fall, he was going to land short of the dasher boards and was putting his arm out to grab it the same way you would if it was the ropes. If he hadn't have done that it might have been an uglier bump to take and possibly another Sting situation. He threw his arm out because he was trying to minimize the impact on his back/neck. I agree he probably thought he was landing short, which is a different problem when you can't trust the guy tossing you, but when you watch the video it really doesn't look like he actually would have and Balor simply panicked. It might have been uglier if he hadn't thrown his arm out or it might have been okay, like it was when Ambrose took the same bump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Wade Keller has said lately that one criticism of Seth in NXT was that he works too fast and is too concerned with getting all his spots in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Why do a move like that that doesn't even get a pop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 What moves do regularly get pops right now? (I think he does the move due to a Napoleon complex btw. Size driven main event world.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Not many, and that's my point. I can't see a reason to do a dangerous spot that doesn't get a reaction and that won't be part of any highlight reels. All risk, no reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Wade Keller has said lately that one criticism of Seth in NXT was that he works too fast and is too concerned with getting all his spots in. This has even been adapted into WWE canon. One of those network specials made a deal about how he never listened to trainers in the performance center, specifically Terry Taylor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Which is why HBK replacing Taylor is a great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Another thing to keep in mind: Seth's favorite wrestler growing up was Rob Van Dam, for whatever it's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Keith scoffed at the idea that Blackwell was the AWA's top face from mid 84-87 in today's review Well you'd have to actually watch the footage to know that and I think it's pretty safe to say he's probably not watched anything outside of the Superclashes. Plus you don't really expect Scott Keith of all people to give any kind of credit to Jerry Blackwell do you? He's fat and fat wrestler = terrible without exception to Scott Keith. He once claimed that he used to watch a lot of AWA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 I'd be curious to who he thought the AWA's top face was in that time frame if he doesn't think it was Blackwell. My guess is that he watched a lot of AWA from 87-90, when Blackwell wasn't around much. Did he offer an alternative as the top face from that time frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 I'd be curious to who he thought the AWA's top face was in that time frame if he doesn't think it was Blackwell. My guess is that he watched a lot of AWA from 87-90, when Blackwell wasn't around much. Did he offer an alternative as the top face from that time frame? Martel (84) and Slaughter (85-86) would be the only candidates, right? Were the Fabs more of a draw in 84 than Martel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 - The High Flyers v. Ken Patera & Jerry Blackwell. Brunzell gets a figure-four on Blackwell, but Adnan El-Kaissie smashes a cast over Brunzell’s head to break. Patera misses a top rope kneedrop and Brunzell figure-fours him, but Blackwell hits the BIG FAT SPLASH on the helpless Brunzell (good bit of psychology there) and Patera pins him to win the tag titles. - Mean Gene interviews Mad Dog Vachon, who is busy constructing a coffin for Jerry Blackwell. Now THAT’S getting your point across. He succintly explains how Blackwell put him out of the business for 2 ½ years and now he wants to kill him. See, now this is the sort of to-the-point interview that’s lacking in wrestling today. - Blackwell retorts later (KILLER KEN RESNICK! WHOO-HOO!) by breaking a 2 x 12 with the sheer power contained in his gigantic gut, and then headbutting a six-inch spike through a piece of plywood. It’s LARD-FU~! You just don’t SEE stuff like this anymore. - Death match: Mad Dog Vachon v. Jerry Blackwell. Vachon is more well known these days as “the guy who was at ringside and had his artificial leg used as a weapon by Shawn Michaels and Diesel”. Vachon bitchslaps Blackwell until he falls, then knocks him out of the ring and rams him into the ringpost, drawing blood. A chair to the head opens it up further. Crowd pops huge for it. Back in, and Vachon hammers and bites away. Running rope straddle (think Kevin Nash) gets two. He runs into a boot, giving Blackwell a chance to ascend the turnbuckles and go for the FAT GUY OUTTA CONTROL FLYING SPLASH OF DOOM, but it misses and Vachon hits a kneedrop for the pin. Blackwell makes it to his feet to beat the count, but then the force of gravity says “Hey, no so fast…” and he falls on his ass again to take the loss. Pretty intense brawl. **1/2 - The Road Warriors v. Crusher Blackwell & Boom Boom Bundy. I forget the legal details, but suffice it to say (before you ask) that in the AWA he was “Boom Boom” Bundy and in the WWF he was “King Kong” Bundy. Shoving match to start, won by Bundy. Stalling follows. Blackwell comes in and breaks out the FAT GUY OUTTA CONTROL dropkick. Stall, stall, stall. Animal tries a slam, but of course falls back and takes a two count. Blackwell goes to a bearhug of sorts and rams Hawk into the corner. Headbutt and BIG FAT SPLASH get two. Bundy comes in, but Hawk hammers away. Big elbow gets two. Hot tag Blackwell, and a powerslam gets two on Animal. Avalanche misses, and Hawk pounds him with a high knee and the Warriors work him over in the corner. Animal gets that bodyslam for two. Blackwell hulks up, however, and no-sells some elbows. Hah! How’s it feel, Hawk? Hot tag to Bundy, and they hit stereo splashes. Sucky camera work misses Hawk getting a cheap pin on Bundy, however. Boring, LONG, match. I know it didn’t seem like it from the play-by-play, but it was about 18 minutes long, uncut. ½* I found maybe 8 AWA reviews in his "rant" archive. Nothing from the peak Blackwell years except that Mad Dog match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'd be curious to who he thought the AWA's top face was in that time frame if he doesn't think it was Blackwell. My guess is that he watched a lot of AWA from 87-90, when Blackwell wasn't around much. Did he offer an alternative as the top face from that time frame? Martel (84) and Slaughter (85-86) would be the only candidates, right? Were the Fabs more of a draw in 84 than Martel? Yeah 84 for the Fabs, they weren't around very long in 1985, if at all. Martel and Slaughter are the two that spring to mind for sure. His reviews of the AWA suggest that (a) he is trying to be funny and edgy and has no clue how to do that, and ( he hates fat guys. I would also suggest that it's a testament to how good the Mad Dog coffin interview is that he actually liked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 How much were the Fabs a draw on their own and how much of it was having Heenan as a foil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Wouldn't Curt Hennig be the layman's pick for top babyface in mid-80s AWA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Keith's version of history is slowly starting to fix itself, I think, with his recent penchant for recapping old Observers on his site. He's still useful for little tidbits now and again, like these two recent ones: - The first Clash show drew 521 responses for the thumbs-up/thumbs-down poll, and Keith expressed amazement that Dave's subscriber count would be so low, as if 100% of his readership not only watched the show but called or mailed in an opinion. - Dr. James Andrews was given the nickname "Tape it up and play through it," when any sports fan knows that name is synonymous with "season-ending surgery." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 "I’m not hampered by things like journalism or giving a shit about accuracy."- Scott Keith, published author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Wouldn't Curt Hennig be the layman's pick for top babyface in mid-80s AWA? Not really, IMO. He was an excellent face but honestly more portrayed as the "junior member" of his teams as a face (Hall, Papa Larry), which were more his thing until he got into it with Bock in 86-87. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 How much were the Fabs a draw on their own and how much of it was having Heenan as a foil? Fabs vs. LOD was a very good draw, and their program vs. Jesse Ventura when they first arrived was I think going to be a good draw had Jesse not left for the WWF just as it was picking up steam. Heenan as a foil was ok and helped, but six-mans with Heenan and his Army vs. The Fabs and Lanza didn't draw well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebb Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 - Dr. James Andrews was given the nickname "Tape it up and play through it," when any sports fan knows that name is synonymous with "season-ending surgery." Probably something to do with him being the Redskins team doctor and RG3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 I doubt that's it, since he knows basically nothing about American football. Just today, he admitted to having no familiarity with Kevin Greene outside of WCW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Considering Scott grew up in or around Edmonton, would there have been anything else available other than Stampede airing on TV at the time? I know the AWA did reach into Canada but I'm pretty sure it was only in Winnipeg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Pro Wrestling Plus, which was the Canadian version of Pro Wrestling This Week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 AWA was nation wide in Canada if you had TSN (Canuck ESPN) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooley Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 To be fair, TSN was a premium channel with a small viewership at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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