Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 If Hogan and Flair booked this tour in 10 North American cities -- say NY, Boston, Philly, Charlotte, Miami, Dallas, Chicago, Minneapolis, LA, and two Canadian markets -- could they draw 3,500 per night? Assuming tickets were priced fairly and the undercard remains the same as the Ausie tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Well how much did Hogan draw in Memphis against Paul Wight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 4,000+ in the building, 2,000 paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 If Hogan and Flair booked this tour in 10 North American cities -- say NY, Boston, Philly, Charlotte, Miami, Dallas, Chicago, Minneapolis, LA, and two Canadian markets -- could they draw 3,500 per night? Assuming tickets were priced fairly and the undercard remains the same as the Ausie tour. 3500 paid at full price? No. Not without a tv show behind them booking it well. I'm not sure that Flair Fans in Charlotte want to come out to see Ric get pinned by Hulk. Perhaps some other cites, but I don't think the average would get up above 3500. I also wonder what the cost would be on those shows, and where break even is. Hulk always lards these up with his buddies, who aren't working for free. The Nasties and Jimmy Hart were on this one. Bischoff was involved. Adds up. Could Rock-Austin draw 3500 fully paid in 10 cities with no TV? I'm not sure they would. So as much as we would want to laugh at Hulk, Ric and Eric over such an idea, it's just a really tough business model. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Agreed, television is crucial. Just look at the MSG attendance numbers in the late '60s when WWWF did and did not have television coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 This was the 70's but according to Larry Marystiak in St. Louis for the Kiel it was 3500 to break even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I don't think anyone in the Kiel was making Hulk and Ric's appearance fees of today. Seriously, I don't Terry gets in the ring for less than $100K a match on average these days. And he's probably smart: wanting his money up front, with the exception of Vince's PPV bonuses (which I recall Terry not being happy with the $$$ from at least one of them earlier in the decade). John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I agree. I don't see how It's possible to make money. I used the reference of 30 years ago to show how insane this tour is. The only way to make money if it was structured like it was in the 70's. you get paid on how much you draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Hogan might want/demand 100k a match minimum, but he'll likely have to settle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Hogan might want/demand 100k a match minimum, but he'll likely have to settle. I suspect he was getting $100K per match for the Aussie tour, between cash and expenses. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I dunno. A lot of people speculated (probably correctly) that he was juicing during his last WWE run just so that his body wouldn't start looking any worse than it already did, but never really thought of him as having a GH gut then, so I'd guess it's either not a GH gut, or he changed up what he was taking in a way that would cause a GH gut that he didn't seem to have in the WWE. Worth noting that one of the big reasons wrestlers turn to steroids/HGH is because they are expected to maintain incredible physiques, but do not have nearly the time necessary to do so naturally due to their hectic schedule, with this being primarily true in the WWE. Flair's schedule has been far more lax since retirement, and even now that he's out of retirement, the Hulkamania tour seems like it would be far less grueling than working WWE full time would be. That's not to say he's not on something - it's professional wrestling, no one is above suspicion - but it is possible for a 60 year old man to have that body with the right combo of genetics and dedication without drugs. So you can draw your own conclusions about that, whatever they may be. I'd also wager that he had access to better stuff in WWE as well. Not to mention Flair's well known money problems probably have him shopping at Wal-Mart rather than Macy's these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I don't think there has been a WWE PPV payoff since his return in 2002 that Hulk has been happy with. It's part of the reason he kept quitting on Vince. Also, Flair will end up bankrupt before he stops shopping at Macy's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Hogan might want/demand 100k a match minimum, but he'll likely have to settle. I suspect he was getting $100K per match for the Aussie tour, between cash and expenses. John True. I guess I more mean 'in the future', after bombing in Memphis and now overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Flair will still be shopping in Macy's while he's BK. I look forward to: "Sure Flair is homeless and eating dog food. But he's not as bad off as people like to think because he's got millions in retirement funds." John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Unclear from reading this if Ric was the victim of the assault ... Pro wrestler Ric Flair's wife arrested on assault charge By Steve Lyttle [email protected] Posted: Monday, Feb. 22, 2010 Jacqueline Beems, wife of former pro wrestler Ric Flair. The wife of former professional wrestling champion Ric Flair was arrested overnight in an apparent domestic assault case, police say. Jacqueline Beems, 41, was charged with misdemeanor assault, according to Charlotte-Mecklenburg police. Beems and Flair were married about three months ago. WCNC-TV, the Observer's news partner, says police received a domestic violence call about 11:40 p.m. Sunday at the Flairs' house near Colony and Rea roads. No additional information is available. Flair and Beems met in 2004 in Chicago and dated until they married Nov. 11. Each was married previously. Flair, whose given name is Richard Morgan Fliehr, has been involved in other police incidents. In September 2008, he received cuts and bruises and his 23-year-old daughter was arrested in connection with a dispute that also involved a 22-year-old man at a Raleigh apartment complex. And in November 2005, Flair was charged in connection with an incident on Interstate 485 in south Charlotte. In that case, he was accused of grabbing another motorist by the neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 http://www.wistv.com/Global/link.asp?L=430146 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Ric's such a trainwreck that this story didn't have legs on PWO: his fucked up nature is "expected" these days. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Meltzer's story in today's Observer is such a non-story, going into less detail than he did on the radio show. Case in point: Exactly what the two were arguing about was unclear. Friends said no such incidents had taken place in the past and he had always spoken glowingly of her. What did I say about the wrestling media doing their usual great job of covering for Flair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Yow. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 If there's no evidence that Flair is in the wrong on this one, what is Meltzer supposed to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 The truth without contradictions/conspicuous omissions. There's a big difference between "Ric was drunk, a waitress offered to drive him home, Jackie was jealous of the waitress for some reason, and it spiraled from there" and "nobody knows what caused the fight." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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