Dooley Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 Honestly, Dave would lose whatever credibility he has in the MMA world if people knew the retarded shit he says in the pro wrestling=MMA category. Quote
Ricky Jackson Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 Honestly, Dave would lose whatever credibility he has in the MMA world if people knew the retarded shit he says in the pro wrestling=MMA category. This stance has definitely become Dave's Achilles Heel as a journalist. But he apparently has an agenda of some sort, so he's going to keep on it. Quote
S.L.L. Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 So if Brock Lesnar has been a huge draw the last few years because he drew wrestling fans to watch MMA, why wasn't he able to be a huge draw by drawing wrestling fans to watch wrestling? Cause...you know...he wasn't chopped liver or anything, but I don't think anyone really looks back on Brock's actual wrestling career and sees a great drawing card. All these wrestling fans being drawn to MMA by Brock...where were they when he was actually wrestling? Quote
El-P Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 So if Brock Lesnar has been a huge draw the last few years because he drew wrestling fans to watch MMA, why wasn't he able to be a huge draw by drawing wrestling fans to watch wrestling? Cause...you know...he wasn't chopped liver or anything, but I don't think anyone really looks back on Brock's actual wrestling career and sees a great drawing card. All these wrestling fans being drawn to MMA by Brock...where were they when he was actually wrestling? Tons of good points have been made about how goofy this whole deal is, but this one is probably the greatest. Wasn't Brock around during a real down time before things got better with the emergence of Cena ? Quote
Loss Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Posted November 11, 2011 The second lowest point of the past 30 years, yes. He shouldn't get blamed for that, but it just shows he didn't do much in wrestling. Quote
Loss Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Posted November 11, 2011 I'm not sure about the ratings for The Surreal Life, Celebrity Rehab or the boxing match with Joey Buttafuoco, but One Night In Chyna did sell well, as did her issue of Playboy. She drew wrestling fans to porn. She has also been a star in more places than Lesnar and the company was drawing better when she was in a high-profile spot. Chyna is a surefire HOFer. Quote
sek69 Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 Wasn't the talking point at the time something like Brock's presence (and subsequent push to the title) was drawing more hardcore MMA fans to buy the PPV to see the fake rasslin' guy get beat by real fighters? Plus all the elitists bawww-ing over "THERE'S PRO WRESTLING IN MY UFC" makes it seem kind of unlikely a guy who didn't set the town on fire as a pro wrestling draw would suddenly get legions of wrestling fans to buy UFC PPVs. Â It's a wacky suggestion but maybe, just maybe mind you, Brock proved that pro wrestling heel tactics can get you over huge in MMA? I don't recall anyone else getting as much attention as he did when he talked about going home and fucking his wife while drinking a Miller. Arguing that tons of wrestling fans flocked to UFC because of Brock seems to be a way to not acknowledge UFC fans buying in to him. Quote
kjh Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 I've always been sceptical at Dave's oft repeated claim that "half had never purchased a UFC event in their life" before UFC 81 Lesnar vs. Mir. I'm sure that was true for a significant percentage of viewers, but the 50% figure seemed way high, as though the show drew very well on PPV (600,000 buys), Hughes vs. Gracie, Shamrock vs. Ortiz and Liddell vs. Ortiz in 2006 all drew more, significantly more in the latter case. Though not PPV, 5.7 million viewers on Spike TV watched the short third fight between Shamrock vs. Ortiz in 2006 too, and the Ultimate Fighter before Lesnar's UFC debut had been going for six seasons, the first of which followed Raw. I know the 50% figure apparently came from market research done by UFC, but I'm not sure I'd trust what they push. Quote
El-P Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 I'm not sure about the ratings for The Surreal Life, Celebrity Rehab or the boxing match with Joey Buttafuoco, but One Night In Chyna did sell well, as did her issue of Playboy. She drew wrestling fans to porn. She has also been a star in more places than Lesnar and the company was drawing better when she was in a high-profile spot. Chyna is a surefire HOFer. We don't need more wrestling/porn analogies. Quote
jdw Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 Please don't go there. I just saw a Sasha Grey article that pissed me off... don't tempt me with wrestling-porn analogies until this passes. Â John Quote
FLIK Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 I know the 50% figure apparently came from market research done by UFC, but I'm not sure I'd trust what they push. If that's the case, I can't think of a reason why UFC would work the # then, not really something that particularly benefits them all that much. Quote
Loss Posted November 12, 2011 Author Report Posted November 12, 2011 It wasn't an analogy. I was making the point that drawing wrestling fans to something that isn't pro wrestling is meaningless. Completely meaningless. Quote
kjh Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 I know the 50% figure apparently came from market research done by UFC, but I'm not sure I'd trust what they push. If that's the case, I can't think of a reason why UFC would work the # then, not really something that particularly benefits them all that much. The company got a lot of flak at the time from hardcore MMA fans for bringing in such an unproven athlete best known for being a phony WWE superstar. I could see them pushing an overinflated number to get people to stop complaining about it. Quote
sek69 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Dave and Bryan spent a segment on the 11/15 show doing a jokey wink-wink commentary on Cody Rhodes coming back from the European tour with a new physique. It was clear what they were referencing, and I guess I get the "well if the guys doing it don't care, then fuck it" philosophy, but isn't that the kind of stuff people like Dave and Bryan always chastise wrestling people for? Something about them doing "GEE, CODY MUST HAVE GOT A LOT OF GYM TIME IN EUROPE, YUK YUK YUK" seemed almost offensive considering all the hand wringing that goes on when another drug related death happens. Quote
jdw Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 I enjoyed Stan Hansen using the "made up" word Puroresu in his autobiography. Â John Quote
KrisZ Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 Dave wrote quite the thorough obit for Joe Frazier in the WON this week which kinda surprised me but only wrote a little more of a paragraph for Killer Karl Kox in the same issue. Quote
tomk Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 I thought he said the Kox one was coming in Thanksgiving issue. Quote
rovert Posted November 20, 2011 Report Posted November 20, 2011 Dave has taken to stealing one of my F4W trolling memes or at least a version of it: Â Observer web site subscriber I dont know whether to be flattered or deeply concerned. Quote
Ricky Jackson Posted November 22, 2011 Report Posted November 22, 2011 I really didn't need to have the image of the Sandman as a male stripper stuck in my head. Thanks Chuck Langerman. Quote
kjh Posted November 22, 2011 Report Posted November 22, 2011 Well, he did strip naked at an ECW show once... Quote
shawmic Posted November 22, 2011 Report Posted November 22, 2011 So Dave said on the message board over the weekend that Chris Jericho & WWE had a major falling out and Jericho would not be coming back. Johnson & Scherer got their digs in at him today because the "It Begins" video last night was for Jericho and they heard the same falling out story over the weekend from "B-level sources" and knew it was bullshit. Quote
Coffey Posted November 22, 2011 Report Posted November 22, 2011 I think it's a little bit early to take the assumption that it's a video for Jericho and run with it. It could just as easily be for The Undertaker. Quote
Loss Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Posted November 22, 2011 It will be interesting to see who's right and who's wrong in this case. One or the other will end up with major egg on their face. Quote
jdw Posted November 22, 2011 Report Posted November 22, 2011 So has Dave said anything after the It Begins video popped up? Â John Quote
FLIK Posted November 22, 2011 Report Posted November 22, 2011 Meltzer said he think's it's for Taker Quote
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