kjh Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I think the poll said "It's there, not huge, but it exits". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I also guess "Exits" should read "Exists". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Maybe this will shine a light to Meltz on who his demo is. Â What was your favorite promotion ever? WWF 1997-2001 38.4% WWF 1984-1990 13.0% Crockett 1984-87 12.0% ECW 1995-98 10.9% WCW 1996-98 10.1% Mid South 1982-1986 4.8% World Class 1983-1985 2.9% Current WWE 2.5% Georgia 1977-1981 2.3% Memphis 1980-1985 1.9% Crockett 1977-1983 1.1% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 I'm a little surprised that he didn't include two general buckets:  * a Japanese promotion * a Lucha promotion  Simply to give other buckets for people who might not have one of the above.  And while the numbers don't have any relation to WON *subscribers* given it being an online site shared with Bryan where anyone could vote, these splits are kind of telling:  51.4% WWF Glory Eras: 38.4% WWF 1997-2001 13.0% WWF 1984-1990  That's pretty strong, and shouldn't be surprising.  48.5% Monday Night Wars: 38.4% WWF 1997-2001 10.1% WCW 1996-98  59.4% MNW+ECW: 38.4% WWF 1997-2001 10.9% ECW 1995-98 10.1% WCW 1996-98  These were the "hottest" periods of wrestling on TV, so it's not surprising it's this high. It's once you get beyond this that things are a problem for Current WWE.  25.0% 80s Expansion Era: 13.0% WWF 1984-1990 12.0% Crockett 1984-87  In turn, the mass of folks in these categories are two decades removed from their fandom.  Still, putting the two together:  84.4% 80s Expansion or MNW Era: 38.4% WWF 1997-2001 13.0% WWF 1984-1990 12.0% Crockett 1984-87 10.9% ECW 1995-98 10.1% WCW 1996-98  Versus:  2.5% Current WWE  That's brutal.  It's actually worse:  13.0% Misc 80s Nostalgia: 4.8% Mid South 1982-1986 2.9% World Class 1983-1985 2.3% Georgia 1977-1981 1.9% Memphis 1980-1985 1.1% Crockett 1977-1983  Or worse:  38.0% 80s Era: 13.0% WWF 1984-1990 12.0% Crockett 1984-87 4.8% Mid South 1982-1986 2.9% World Class 1983-1985 2.3% Georgia 1977-1981 1.9% Memphis 1980-1985 1.1% Crockett 1977-1983  Which could be summed to create this:   59.4% 90s MNW+ECW 38.0% 80s Era 2.5% Current WWE  That's worse than brutal.  John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Maybe seeing that poll was the last straw for Vince  According to WrestlingObserver.com, Vince McMahon was not in a good mood this afternoon before Raw. The fallout was that after working for WWE for over a decade, Brian Gewirtz was removed as the head writer. Gewirtz will remain under contract as a consultant  People backstage are said to be scared, and Vince told the producers today, "I want results or I want resignations." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Is anyone really shocked that Vince's idea for bringing things back to the rating despair is Vince vs Punk in the main event Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 after working for WWE for over a decade, Brian Gewirtz was removed as the head writer. Yeah that's some shit I didn't see coming at all. Â Amusing him & Jim Cornette both get removed as bookers on the same day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 after working for WWE for over a decade, Brian Gewirtz was removed as the head writer. Yeah that's some shit I didn't see coming at all.  Amusing him & Jim Cornette both get removed as bookers on the same day.  WOL 10.9.12  Runtime  over/under 70.5 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Is Mike Sempervive (sorry don't know how to spell it) doing the audio? if so then the over under is more like 105 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Can someone give some background on why the shit is hitting the fan? I haven't been paying attention to the business side of the WWE this year. Â I do enjoy how it isn't Steph or Trip taking the hit. Â John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Can someone give some background on why the shit is hitting the fan? I haven't been paying attention to the business side of the WWE this year.  I do enjoy how it isn't Steph or Trip taking the hit.  John   Last two RAWs have had the lowest non-holiday ratings in 15 years. Football started, which is taking a little chunk, but three hours is kicking their ass so their idea was to throw the head writer under the bus.  The funny thing is that USA has been pushing them to go three hours for a long time before Vince finally gave in, so it seems he knew this was likely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Business wise they have been doing quite well it's just Vince is blowing a gasket on ratings again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Wonder if their contract with USA is coming up for negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 No, they renewed their deal for four years on November 16th, 2010. So they've got two years left on their contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Looking at the history: Â 03/10/2005: decision to not continue with Spike 04/04/2005: three year deal with USA (10/05 - 09/08) 12/06/2007: extended two years (10/08 - 09/10) 11/16/2009: extend four years (10/10 - 09/14) Â They've finalized the contract extensions roughly one year out from expiration, which means they're starting to enter the period where they want to get a deal done by next Oct-Dec. Â Looking at revenue: Â $131.5M TV Rights Fees (27%) $104.7M Live Events (22%) $78.3M PPV (16%) $54.4 Licensing (11%) $30.4 Home Video (6% and declining) $18.3M Venue Merch (4%) Â Everything else is below 5%, much of it flat or declining. Â Â I think when we've had this discussion before we bounced around that Raw (and to a degree SmackDown and PPV events) are strong contributors to the Live Events and Venue Merch buckets because the 50 or so Raw events a year (along with the SmackDown tapings and PPV) draw well above average crowds, and in turn do a big chunk of the venue Merch. Â We all agree that Vince focuses too much on Raw and Raw ratings, but I suspect that someone within the WWE Finance Department could pull together very compelling numbers on just how critical Raw is to the company's bottom line, both in terms of direct revenue (rights fees, live ticket sales, venue merch) and in terms of indirect revenue (it is the company's #1 promotional vehicle). Too much focus, but it does warrant considerable focus in the big picture of the company. Â John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I really like Meltzer and even his more off beat opinions are at least valuable to think about, but comparing Tanahashi/Suzuki to Misawa/Kawada as the only 'close comparison' is crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Yet to read the Observer bar last night scrolling down to the match ratings for the show after watching it. I thought it was ****3/4. I didn't go the full 5 as it didn't have any special/epic/legendary intangible - it certainly wasn't a business, cultural or stylistic high point like some of those Misawa/Kawada matches were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I need to catch up on some New Japan from the last 1-2 years. Even if Dave is overrating it, I'll be happy if it's solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I need to catch up on some New Japan from the last 1-2 years. Even if Dave is overrating it, I'll be happy if it's solid. As an indirect comment to this post even if you dislike Tanahashi you should watch the match as it is a great departure from his standard high spot and near fall driven match favouring more selling and such like. Minoru Suzuki puts on both a strong and amusing showing. His facials are great here: Â http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu7mv8_hi...zuki-njpw_sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Well, Minoru Suzuki was awesome last time I saw him in 2005-2006, so that doesn't surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 New Japan has been great all year, I would say the best promotion in the world, and Okada's entire run was a ton of fun. I still have him as Wrestler of the Year and 3/5 of my MotYC are from NJPW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I'm going to check some stuff out, but I'm interested in Tanahashi. Some people love him and some people don't like him at all. I don't even know what he's like as a wrestler. Can someone explain? Like I said, I will watch, but I'm curious what to expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Best way I can explain Tanahashi is that he looks like a rockstar that would not look out of place wrestling a main event style in a WWE ring. I wouldn't even know who to compare him to. He's a hybrid of several different people, I think, but naming names would either not do justice to Tanahashi or be too high-praise & a slight against the people named. It's sort of like that, if it makes sense.   HBK & Guerrero  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 I'm going to check some stuff out, but I'm interested in Tanahashi. Some people love him and some people don't like him at all. I don't even know what he's like as a wrestler. Can someone explain? Like I said, I will watch, but I'm curious what to expect. Whole PPV is worth watching, no bad matches at all and several really great ones. Tanahashi/Suzuki was def the best but I wouldn't put it over Okada/Naito IWGP or Okada/Tanahashi II from earlier this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 I like Tanahashi better in Mexico than Japan. I think it's the face paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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