rovert Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 For those who don't know Tom Lawler is a UFC Fighter does a Pro Wrestling cosplay gimmick during his entrances with little support from Dana. At the weigh ins he did this: In response Dave tweeted: How is it that every MMA reporter knew the reference to an obscure WCW incident from 20 years ago, yet none knew who Ryback is? Genuinely interested in your guys opinion on this. Is he right or is he totally completely discounting the Wrestlecrap/Botchamania afterlife it has had online? 1993 WCW was hardly a formative period of the people I know online. Somehow I don't think press row would pop for Charlie Norris or Big Sky if they appeared on the big screen at a UFC show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Is he right or is he totally completely discounting the Wrestlecrap/Botchamania afterlife it has had or both. I'd say discounting the Wrestlecrap influence. This is how this stuff became kind of a cult joke. Anyway, it's pretty damn funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Tom needs to do Super Dragon or Zandig to settle things. A viable theory from the F4W board is: I subscribe to the notion that they all merely laughed at a Stormtrooper who fell down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Well, there is that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Tom Lawlor also used to post on DVDVR back in the day. His Dan Severn, Harold Howard and Genki Sudo tributes have all been pretty neat too. Hope he wins tomorrow night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueminister Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 The Shockmaster clip is internet famous whereas Ryback is barely famous to wrestling fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilclown Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 For those who don't know Tom Lawler is a UFC Fighter does a Pro Wrestling cosplay gimmick during his entrances with little support from Dana. At the weigh ins he did this: In response Dave tweeted: How is it that every MMA reporter knew the reference to an obscure WCW incident from 20 years ago, yet none knew who Ryback is? Genuinely interested in your guys opinion on this. Is he right or is he totally completely discounting the Wrestlecrap/Botchamania afterlife it has had online? 1993 WCW was hardly a formative period of the people I know online. Somehow I don't think press row would pop for Charlie Norris or Big Sky if they appeared on the big screen at a UFC show. There just happen to be a lot of Dave acolytes among the MMA media. Among the regular non obsessives, I suspect exactly zero reporters got that reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 The random stuff Alvarez doesn't seem to understand always cracks me up He doesn't know what a ball hammer is? And what the connotation is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 When WCW was 3 hours long and sucked did Dave and Bryan constantly bitch about how long and tiresome the show was. When Dave tells you they are beating a dead horse they are literally punches at bones now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 When he had to watch 5 hours of Nitro and Thunder, along with 4 hours of Raw and SmackDown, he did complain when they sucked. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 MLW Radio (ep #50) this week was really awesome with Konnan, Court Baure, MSL & Gabe Sapolsky. Most of the show is them talking about their various experiences booking promotions but the 1st 15-20 mins or so they have a pretty interesting discussion about Meltzer, why they all wanted to be sources for him, thinking he's not as influential as he used to be & talking about him spending too much time on MMA now & not being able to cover indies/lucha/other stuff the way he used to. Also amused at Konnan name dropping JDW or atleast I think he did. He mentions some guy who used to come down to AAA shows named Williams that was always going on about Misawa & psychology and I figured "well that sounds like JDW to me" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 The random stuff Alvarez doesn't seem to understand always cracks me up He doesn't know what a ball hammer is? And what the connotation is? On the most recent B&V show Vinny had to explain to him what "goes to 11" is a reference to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Also amused at Konnan name dropping JDW or atleast I think he did. He mentions some guy who used to come down to AAA shows named Williams that was always going on about Misawa & psychology and I figured "well that sounds like JDW to me" Rovert mentioned it to me. I think he confused Zavisa with Yohe. Anyway... I loved Lucha pysch at the time and still do for what it is/was. I was one of the gringos who made the effort to try to talk about *not* comparing it to stuff like US wrestling, and enjoy it for its own greatness rather than get hung up on what "felt goofy" to a US fan. I never compared it unfavorably / directly to puroresu (let alone Misawa). About as close as I got was the Rey-Juve match, where I talked about the *moves* that Rey and Juve had clearly borrowed from the stuff they were watching. I don't think I ever talked about puroresu psych with Carlos. The most remembered discussions on psych that I was around Carlos were: * the famed "But Carlos, the finish was a DQ" discussion where Carlos was explaining the psych of his own booking that turned out quite funny * his explaining the booking of one of his cards at the Olympic in relation to what Lucha fans would accept, which are mostly about quality and finishes than pysch... but some psych in there I always got along well with Carlos. He treated us (i.e. Yohe, Hoback and me) well. He was insanely open to us about his thoughts, even when in WCW when we'd run into him... and there were other WCW guys around. He was open to questions, and if you gave him an honest though about not thinking a match worked or was subpar, he wasn't dismissive and at times would agree that someone had a night off. If he disagreed with you, he'd talk to you about it rather than try to browbeat or make you, as a non-wrestler, feel small or unknowing, and tended to want to hear back from you after. Like I say... I got along with him, and appreciated how he treated us. With the exception of comps to Japanese juniors, which we all did... if there were any other comps to puroresu, it would have been Dave. I suspect if one went through the WON's you'd find something along the lines of, "The was like an All Japan Budokan Hall main event but for Lucha". John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nell Santucci Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Also amused at Konnan name dropping JDW or atleast I think he did. He mentions some guy who used to come down to AAA shows named Williams that was always going on about Misawa & psychology and I figured "well that sounds like JDW to me" Rovert mentioned it to me. I think he confused Zavisa with Yohe. Anyway... I loved Lucha pysch at the time and still do for what it is/was. I was one of the gringos who made the effort to try to talk about *not* comparing it to stuff like US wrestling, and enjoy it for its own greatness rather than get hung up on what "felt goofy" to a US fan. I never compared it unfavorably / directly to puroresu (let alone Misawa). About as close as I got was the Rey-Juve match, where I talked about the *moves* that Rey and Juve had clearly borrowed from the stuff they were watching. I don't think I ever talked about puroresu psych with Carlos. The most remembered discussions on psych that I was around Carlos were: * the famed "But Carlos, the finish was a DQ" discussion where Carlos was explaining the psych of his own booking that turned out quite funny * his explaining the booking of one of his cards at the Olympic in relation to what Lucha fans would accept, which are mostly about quality and finishes than pysch... but some psych in there I always got along well with Carlos. He treated us (i.e. Yohe, Hoback and me) well. He was insanely open to us about his thoughts, even when in WCW when we'd run into him... and there were other WCW guys around. He was open to questions, and if you gave him an honest though about not thinking a match worked or was subpar, he wasn't dismissive and at times would agree that someone had a night off. If he disagreed with you, he'd talk to you about it rather than try to browbeat or make you, as a non-wrestler, feel small or unknowing, and tended to want to hear back from you after. Like I say... I got along with him, and appreciated how he treated us. With the exception of comps to Japanese juniors, which we all did... if there were any other comps to puroresu, it would have been Dave. I suspect if one went through the WON's you'd find something along the lines of, "The was like an All Japan Budokan Hall main event but for Lucha". John In Meltzer's update today, he claims that Jerry Lynn is one of the most underrated workers of the last 25 years. From what I've seen of Lynn, that doesn't seem very plausible. Lynn's work with RVD was very spot-oriented, and the matches happened during a time when many claimed RVD was one of the best in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 I'm not entirely sure what Lynn has to do with my comments. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nell Santucci Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 I'm not entirely sure what Lynn has to do with my comments. John Actually, it had nothing to do with your comment. I wasn't paying attention and decided to post that comment on Lynn whilst reading your post (that's my guess, at least). Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 I've heard this before as well, that Jerry Lynn is somehow underrated. While it's true that nobody talks about Lynn as any sort of super worker, that's because he isn't. At all. In any way. Underrated doesn't necessarily mean "good", although in Meltz's case he clearly means something excellent that doesn't get talked up enough. Something that's still "bad" can still be underrated, so maybe Lynn IS underrated, in that he's merely bad, not horrendous. But what do I know? Michael Young was voted "Most Underrated" in a recent Sports Illustrated players poll. Anybody who knows the tiniest fraction about saber metrics would likely name Young as one of the most OVER rated players of the last decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 I'm in the middle on Lynn myself, I don't think he's great but don't think he's horrible either. I know a lot of ppl who're on both ends of the spectrum though honestly I do know more who fall on the good/great side of things then the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Jerry Lynn seems to be in the Brad Armstrong category of a guy who was probably not pushed as much as his talent warranted, but not someone you'd look at thinking "man, the companies he worked for really missed the boat with that guy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 In Meltzer's update today, he claims that Jerry Lynn is one of the most underrated workers of the last 25 years. From what I've seen of Lynn, that doesn't seem very plausible. His peers have an entirely different view. I think that aspect has to be acknowledged. I personally like him in once in a while small doses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Jerry Lynn is my co-MVP of ECW 1999 along with Tajiri (although Tajiri is better). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 In Meltzer's update today, he claims that Jerry Lynn is one of the most underrated workers of the last 25 years. From what I've seen of Lynn, that doesn't seem very plausible. His peers have an entirely different view. I think that aspect has to be acknowledged. I personally like him in once in a while small doses. As a footnote maybe? I'm not sure that's entirely useful to what we discuss around here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Kane's peers love him. Rufus Jones was exceptionally popular with the boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 A co-worker point of view is something that has really nothing to do with our way at looking at things. If I was a worker I would probably rather work with Jesse Ventura and have a night off and a good payday rather than work with Jerry Lynn and have to work my ass off on an indy show for shitty money. And I'm not even talking about safe/unsafe here. If I'm a worker, I'd rather work with someone who hits light as hell or a master at stalling rather than with a mark for stiff chops, kicks and big spots, doesn't matter how much snowflakes I will get in some geek's Top 50 matches of the year. Get heat, get paid, go home with no injury, that's what would matter to me as a worker. Take good care of me, get the most of the least, don't fucking hit me in the face with your feet thank you. Not the same debate at all. (and it really depends on the workers frame of mind too, as I would guess those who love working with Jerry Lynn aren't the same as those who love working with Kane, or at least have different kind of reasons for enjoying each one of them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Kane does a flying clothesline where he lands on his feet and then just does a forward roll. It's one of the laziest, worst looking spots in wrestling. I don't understand his rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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