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Why wouldn't someone want to go to a Bon Jovi concert? The guy has hit after hit after hit. Easily one of my favourite singers ever. Now about Finlay, it is his WWE run that has turned so many heads on to the fact that this guy can work. His WWE run destroyed his WCW run in terms of match quality and it was this that made more people believers in Finlay.

I understand why some people don't like his commentary and were frustrated at what he'd show on TV but he had upside too with his commentary. And he was proud of wrestling when it came to legit ring a ding dong dandys like DK vs Bruce or Bret, Benoit vs Smith or Owen/Basserb vs Viet Cong Express. The passion would show there. His commentary helped out Benoit and Smith tremendously. I also liked his "shootish" comments he'd drop ever once in awhile as they gave an air credibility to some of his other praising comments.

Tito Santana appears to do be doing extremely well for himself.

I love talking about this match. This is definitely one of my fav WCW tags of all time and along with a few others is my most rewatched WCW match ever. Love it. Lyger vs Steamboat and Pillman vs Koloff is aces here.

Matt has every right to be more than ticked off at guys behind the computer inaccurately proclaiming him "lazy".

Loss echoes a lot of my thoughts here. If you look at Jericho's top notch stuff, it's a very strong resume. You have Jericho vs HHH Last man standing from Backlash? 2000. I always loved this one and felt that Jericho/HHH had really good chemistry but only if Jericho was the face and HHH the heel. Otherwise, it didn't work. Jericho vs Benoit which I feel has now become a signifigantly underrated and underrapreciated series Jericho vs Kane from 2002 is one of Kane's top 3 matches ever and was Jericho/Kane's awesome, motivated answer to the Smackown six stealing all the wrestling thunder at the time. Terrific, smart match iirc. The Jericho match with Nash and the stuff he was doing at the time is also signifigantly underrated and is a shining example of how good Jericho can be. No, they weren't the best matches of all time but they were pretty good matches and I love watching stuff like this where you see a wrestler putting on such a terrific show Jericho's also been involved in a lot of great tags Jericho vs RVD is unfortuantely foggy in my memory but it is iirc definitlely some of RVD's best work in the company. The Rock match from No Mercy obviously worked because it's a top match from many fans' viewpoints. And now Jericho vs Rey which has been a lot of fun. Depending on how you like your wrestling, it's probably one of the top 2 matches from the WWE this year with it arguably being the best. Excellent match that was constructed very well. My biggest markout moment being just a hint of the tease of a super frankensteiner from Jericho. Jericho has taken almost everything out of his persona that one can cheer for in oredr to be a heel but yet has still remained entertaining and not a boring I want to change the channel type of wrestler. He is a wrestler you always have to keep an eye on because he's always capable of producing a stellar match due to his heart, ability to think in the ring and ring presence.

I remember him saying someting like that. Shiavone I really enjoyed as an announcer.

It's true there is no real definition of manly. There is no black and white when describing what it is. There are some shades of grey. I have a description of it but it's something I would like to talk about in detail for a long period of time as it's complicated and interesting. Not going to do that here because that's going way off topic.

No what? How is wrestling or MMA or amatuer wrestling in any shape or form not at its root one of the most manly sports there is? What, baseball is ahead of it? Wrestling or wrestling + boxing or fighting is competetion one on one -- man vs man at its most primitive root. Man in its nature is a competitive warrior (primal instinct in order to attract females so he can spread his genetic DNA) and wrestling or stuff like boxing/amatuer wrestling/fighting is a competition that brings that out more than other sports out there.

Wrestling in general. Amateur I was mostly thinking of but pro wrestling too. Exactly. Against a man, unless you're gay you don't think about the sexual part of wrestling but if you wrestle a woman and you're straight you think of the sexual nature of it (pro or amateur)

Yeah it is but at the same time pro wrestling, MMA and amateur wrestling are activities that straight men are naturally driven to. From my experience when I wrestled before, you don't think of the gay aspect of it all. It is actually perhaps the number 1, most natural sport that a straight man is instinctively drawn to. However, IF you wrestle with a women, you tend to think about the sexual nature of it a lot more.

Does anyone have links to all this stuff?

Reading the entire article here, it sounds like Dibiase is saying that when he wrestled Misawa in the 80s he learned (or perhaps) reinforced what he already knew) that the skill in wrestling was more about telling stories through the action than going through a painful stunt show. The chair and tables refrences sounds like a comparison for the fans of today reading the article. Yes, right before saying that he says Misawa's matches were brutal but I don't think he meant that Misawa's matches only skill were there brutality. It's just what he happened to say before the quote we're discussing here. He's complimenting Misawa for in his in ring knowledge on how to wrestle.

Is someone goes into business for himself that doesn't mean he doesn't have a great mind for the business. It just means he looks after himself. Now Log brings up an interesting point about Brody not liking his face opponent taking a back drop?? Are we talking about the classic whip your oppoents into the rope bit followed by a back body drop?? Because if so, I agree with Brody that it is a face move and not a heel move at all. It was one actually of those moves thas as a 13yr old I would look for heels to do because I liked my wrestling to have more of a legit feel at the time.

Maybe people just liked Panther vs Villano and voted for it? Why the conspiracy theories?

Hmm, I have to say I liked Family Matters better than Full House too but I can't actually say it's a better show. For guys yes. For girls, NO. The reason being is that Full House did things that strongly attracted the female viewers. I guarantee you that Full House meant a ton more to females than Family Matters did to guys and when you factor that into the overall equation of better show, one has to give it to Full House.

Wrestling, and more specifically writing about it, have always been hobbies for most people. Despite a few people making careers out of it or securing book deals, wrestling criticism has never been pursued as seriously as film criticism, music criticism or sports journalism. That's understandable given the sheer scale of those entertainment forms, but while I was thinking about this, I couldn't shake the feeling that wrestling isn't as worthy a subject as film, music, sport or literature. So, I started thinking about whether I actually like wrestling as much as film or music or rugby, basketball and tennis. My first thought was that all of those things are immediately and inherently superior to pro-wrestling, but then I started wondering why I've spent twenty or more years watching wrestling and why I spend a part of everyday reading up about it or watching matches. I've had other hobbies over the years that have fallen by the wayside, yet when my wife tells people I like wrestling, I always try and downplay it. I'm assuming that everyone here has other hobbies, in fact I'm familiar with some of them from other boards. So my question is: How highly do you regard wrestling in regard to your other hobbies, and if it doesn't rate highly, do you think you spend a disproportionate amount of time on it? I have to use Indikator's quote for what is inevitably going to come Personally, I don't believe in this quote but it is sooo true for too much of the wrestling posters out there. Now high do I regard wrestling? Well, I enjoy it a lot as it has a lot of stuff that entertains me. I like it more than watching other sports. When comparing it to stuff like film or music I have a harder time comparing it as I get enjoyment in different/similar ways from these things. With wrestling though, I can't find the exact same experience watching anything else. I am a big fan of seeing someone get knocked down, struggle to get back up and than battle within himself (the #1 battle in life) and his opponent to triumph. Yes, I can see somthing like that in boxing or MMA or films for that matter but the combined real/exhibition aspect of wrestling makes it more emotionally compelling to me.

Keith brings up a strong point. Overall, it can be said that painkillers and injuries are a worse problem than steroids. It also seems that Painkillers + injuries + other drugs + steroids = Doomsday People also use steroids to recover from injuries and shorten recovery time. Yes, they can also help cause muscle tears but they don't automatically make them either. Nothing is in shades of black and white. It's all grey and you have to factor in a ton of different factors when discussing this matter.

The ladder match was one of the very few WWE matches I watched that year. I'm actually very fussy when it comes to wrestling matches (though it might not seem that way because I tend to stay away from being negative about matches) but man, I gotta say the ladder match was really, really good. And I don't remember Michaels having one of the worse preformances ever by a "good" (Michaels is a legit great wrestler as judged by the average fan) wrestler in a big match.

"I remember watching this on Raw on night" Watching what? The night that the Clique had the big hug? The night WWF "tore down kayfabe"? I agree with almost everyhing that is written here. WCW smartened up fans

Segunda Caida types? It appears that I'm following behind on the IWC. Who are Segunda Caida types?

The guy grew up in wrestling locker rooms. His heroes were pro wrestlers. I'm sure he was "into it." Rock is one of the all-time most admirable guys I've seen in wrestling. He was doing clean jobs on RAW for the Big Bossman and Al Snow while he was super-popular and didn't say a word. He probably did more clean jobs than any top face ever. He put Lesnar over clean at SummerSlam when it was time to make a new star and had a great match. Despite being at the top of the industry and making tons of money, he clearly improved every year he was in the business. Look at how much he grew from 98 to 2000. It's incredible. He was never complacent. He was well-liked backstage and by all accounts never developed an ego despite his enormous success. I mean, the guy even gave Dave quotes about his Observer HOF induction talking about how grateful he was. What more could you ever ask for from a guy? The Rock was one of the wrestlers who weren't afraid to job. Kudos to him for that but I don't think he did more clean jobs than any face ever. He was very protected and rightfully so as a face during the year 2000. Yeah, and he grew as a wrestler from 1998 to 2001. As a face he got better and better at knowing what to do and when to do it.

If you're watching your tapes for hours and using a stopwatch, u gotta have a passion for what you're doing. The Rock doesn't own the WWE, the business or the fans anything. People who expect things like that are users and it's one of the reasons why in life you have to make sure to look out for #1.

Exactly.

It was influenced by his gimmick of him being a garbage man.