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If you're referring to the '11 Survivor Series, no one wanted to cheer for Miz. People in the house wanted any excuse to pop for Rock (and Punk that night as well, especially once Finkel was there), and because of the Rock issue were even more adamant than usual about heeling Cena. Miz & Truth were just vehicles for that.

Agree that both Mesias matches need to be there.

A very good point. Won't always produce a classic, but almost always manages to cobble *** together and rarely disappoints. Really unique wrestler with an absolute ton of diverse performances.

A few favorites from what I had handy. Can highlight some choice selections if you want, but THE MAN deserves a full examination. TENRYU! Ric Flair vs. Genichiro Tenryu (2/3 Falls) (SWS 9/15/92) Genichiro Tenryu & Koki Kitahara & Masao Orihara vs. Shiro Koshinaka & Kengo Kimura & Masashi Aoyagi (WAR 10/21/92) Genichiro Tenryu & Koki Kitahara vs. Shiro Koshinaka & Kengo Kimura (WAR 10/23/92) Genichiro Tenryu, Takashi Ishikawa & Koki Kitahara vs. Shiro Koshinaka, Kengo Kimura & Masayo Aoyagi (NJ 11/23/92) Genichiro Tenryu vs. Shiro Koshinaka (NJ 12/14/92) Genichiro Tenryu vs. Riki Choshu (NJ 1/4/93) Genichiro Tenryu, Ashura Hara & Takashi Ishikawa vs. Keiji Muto, Akira Nogami & Shinya Hashimoto (NJ 2/5/93) Tenryu & Takashi Ishikawa vs Tatsumi Fujinami & Hiroshi Hase (WAR 2/14/1993) Riki Choshu, Tatsumi Fujinami, Osamu Kido, Hiroshi Hase & Tayayuki Iizuka vs. Genichiro Tenryu, Ashura Hara, Takashi Ishikawa, Ricky Fuyuki & Tatsumi Kitahara (2/3 falls) (NJ 2/16/93) Genichiro Tenryu & Takashi Ishikawa vs. Riki Choshu & Osamu Kido (WAR 3/3/93) Genichiro Tenryu & Takashi Ishikawa vs. Riki Choshu & Tatsumi Fujinami (NJ 3/23/93) Riki Choshu & Shinya Hashimoto vs. Genichiro Tenryu & Takashi Ishikawa (WAR 4/2/93) Genichiro Tenryu vs. Riki Choshu (NJ 4/6/93) Tatsumi Fujinami & Shinya Hashimoto vs. Genichiro Tenryu & Takashi Ishikawa (WAR 5/24/93) Riki Choshu, Shinya Hashimoto, Tatsumi Fujinami, Masa Chono & Hiroshi Hase vs. Genichiro Tenryu, Ashura Hara, Takashi Ishikawa, Tatsu Goto & Strong Machine (Elimination Match) (WAR vs. NJ 6/15/93) Genichiro Tenryu vs. Shinya Hashimoto (WAR 6/17/93) Genichiro Tenryu & Ashura Hara vs. Masa Chono & Tatsumi Fujinami (NJ 7/14/93) Tatsumi Fujinami, Masahiro Chono & Shinya Hashimoto vs Tenryu, Ashura Hara & Takashi Ishikawa (NJ 8/2/1993) Genichiro Tenryu vs. Shinya Hashimoto (NJ 8/8/93) Hiroshi Hase vs. Genichiro Tenryu (NJ 9/23/93) Shinya Hashimoto & Masa Chono vs. Genichiro Tenryu & Ashura Hara (WAR 10/1/93) Genichiro Tenryu & Ashura Hara vs. Tatsumi Fujinami & Osamu Kido (WAR 10/11/93) Genichiro Tenryu vs. Ashura Hara (WAR 11/11/93) Genichiro Tenryu & Masahito Kikahara vs. Keiji Muto & El Samurai (WAR 1/5/94) Genichiro Tenryu vs. Shiro Koshinaka (WAR 1/14/94) Genichiro Tenryu vs. Shinya Hashimoto (NJ 2/17/94) Genichiro Tenryu & Ashura Hara vs. Atsushi Onita & Tarzan Goto (WAR 3/2/94) Genichiro Tenryu vs. Atsushi Onita (No Rope Explosive Barbed Wire Cage Death Match) (FMW 5/5/94)

What metric is a win for Kane vs. Brock other than number of matches / appearances?

A vote for Charlotte here is not even a backhanded compliment. Its a roundhouse, Ray McDonald style offense.

Don't often agree with Dylan, but I think he hit the nail on the head here, minus the Sags point (though a couple Nasty matches are probably better than any single output of Booker's career, but fewer and further between for me. Aside over). He may be better than Tenzan but I can't even think of a few Booker performances that top the Akiyama matches or his best vs. Kojima/Kawda during that period.

Don't have my spreadsheet handy, but you will not go wrong starting in '92 with everything in the Match Discussion Archive. NJPW/WAR stuff is the clear highlight, but the Onita match is good, he's paired with Flair on a WWF tour, and that's even before getting to the later decade run with NJPW and his matches in the G1. Then you have his turn of the century stints in AJPW and NOAH. His body of work reads like a top 10 GOATer.

It doesn't matter if the women drew in NXT, because NXT is the draw not the wrestlers. The fact they can run a house show with women on top, or have the women as the semi-main on every show proves that it can work. If NXT is a success than women can be featured in prominent roles and it be successful. If NXT is the draw as you initially stated, how are the women -- or anything other than the NXT brand -- successful? Can't have it both ways.

I don't think you can make any case that the women have drawn a dime in NXT. I'm also not sure you can point to a single male wrestler who has either, though I'd be open to the numbers there, though they'll obviously be incredibly limited given that NXT has only run a few shows off campus.

26 week deal. Hopefully they stick to the formula and keep everyone happy.

Apparently ROH debuts on Destination America next Wednesday, 6/3, at 8pm. Stoked that I no longer have to watch online, and excited that they have a legit opportunity to expand. Remind me to never get divorced from DA.

I loved the G1 final vs. Akiyama. Crazy crowd, great build and finishing stretch. But this list is not for him.

See now you are veering into sexist talk. I would put Sasha on the level of all, if not the majority of WWE midcarders. Charlotte has as much potential as any WWE midcarder, probably more. Bayley has the potential to be more over than anyone in the WWE midcard. Becky, we will see. Yes, we would all love the WWE to care about things that aren't in the main event. However, saying the divas are lesser wrestlers sometimes borders on sexist behaviour. Depends on if we're now treating #givedivasachance as a shoot or simply a marketing tag. They can be utilized 1000% better than they currently are on Raw/Smackdown/PPVs. There is nothing to suggest they can draw and grow the business in a meaningful way.

This one is a lot tougher for me than Jumbo/Misawa. Tenryu has the amazing 90s interpromotional period as well as later runs in NJ, AJ and NOAH that all add a ton to his record. Not sure just yet how I'd weigh that against Jumbo's work in the 80s and his run in the Misawa feud.

Last 2 weeks of TV have continued the strong run ROH has been on. ACH/Page was really fun for what it was and a great contrast on the same show with Briscoes/War Machine, which I absolutely loved and may very well be my favorite TV match of 2015. Great characters playing their role to perfection along with simple booking. Really digging things here right now. This week, Lethal/O'Reilly was a bit longer than I would've liked but paid off with a terrific finish that I hope is a precursor to a post-PPV KOR singles run.

I agree there is an opportunity to make female performers into legit draws and a significant, featured part of the product. But at the end of the day I don't think that will in any material way change the gender breakdown of wrestling's audience.

Definitely still watching here. Haven't seen last week's yet but even on a down week, this show flies by and is very enjoyable as a change of pace from any other wrestling out there. Fingers crossed for another season.

I happened across some 80s AWA this weekend that included some Henning and now see why some say this is an argument. Will need to see what top end stuff is there and in Portland but if Henning's volume from that decade is substantial he definitely has a shot as Bret's stuff hasn't held up nearly as well as others from the era.

I absolutely get your points and what you said about Becky's offense gives me something to keep an eye out for on a rewatch. My biggest issue was that we got some great, focused arm work from Banks that was vicious and should've been a constant theme throughout the rest of the match. But then Lynch completely stopped selling it on her comeback and that really took me out of it. I still dug the match and thought it was very good and a terrific performance from Banks. But that's what keeps me from thinking about it as even near MOTYC level.

This is a really great comp. Objectively I know I could write out a much longer list of good Dustin matches, and his list of great matches might be longer as well. But we're not here to be completely objective and there's no way I'd pass on an Austin career comp for Dustin's so he takes it.

I don't think the Total Divas audience has any interest in wrestling or ever will. Its into a reality show that follows a certain formula and is presented in a familiar style and forum. Its wrestling. Some women will like it but any notion of building a significant female audience outside the margins of historical norms doesn't strike me as remotely realistic. Perhaps more women are watching Ronda Rousey in UFC than were watching Anderson Silva, but Rousey is a success because men will pay to see her. If you make the female product appealing to the base it will succeed. Trying to carve out some completely new audience for it will likely backfire in every sense.

There is none. It's just a thought, since they don't get many women viewers. Has an increase in female viewership ever been attributable to female talent? Have they ever treated women talent well? I'm referring to any promotion ever. Outside of joshi groups in Japan, when have female fans packed the house to see female talent? At the end of the day wrestling is more like sports than other TV/entertainment, which mean its going to attract a heavier male audience.

There is none. It's just a thought, since they don't get many women viewers. Has an increase in female viewership ever been attributable to female talent?

Are there any good comps ROH put together cover some highlights from the last 5-7 years? Plan on checking out their Memorial Day sale later but hoping someone else has already done the dirty work of ID'ing some worthwhile DVDs.