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Vince had more overall credibility than Russo or Arquette too. He'd been part of the on-screen product for over 20 years, people fully associated him with the promotion, so it didn't feel as fly-by-night as Russo. Plus Vince had worked matches at that point, which made him feel a bit more legit, and he was built like a tank. Russo and Arquette were just normal sized men, Vince looked more like he belonged, even if he wasn't a wrestler.

A lot of people on Twitter thought it was Top Dolla, which would have been hilarious

Michael Hayes was the first guy I regretted not putting on after submitting my 2016 ballot, he's such an in-ring whirlwind of personality, the perfect contrast to the von Erich's in World Class. He feels like the key reason why the feud was so successful, at least on the heels side. What made me think of Hayes was watching a random episode of World Championship Wrestling last night, where Hayes was heavily featured. The opener was a 6 man jobber squash with the Midnight Express and Dr Death, and featured Hayes arguing at ringside with Cornette throughout. This lead to a tag title match with MX vs the Freebirds, and man Hayes was great. Such a preening dick when in control and such a coward on defence. There's a lovely spot where he goes to his knees, hands behind his back, begging Bobby Eaton not to attack him, and Eaton drops to his own knees and belts him in the face. It's just someone who understands their role, and adding extra flavour to a good TV tag match.

I'd not heard this so I checked Twitter. The only evidence I found was that he'd retweeted a chiropractor who's other tweets were anti-vax, but there was also a video promoted by England Boxing called #WinWithTheJab, where he's promoting people getting vaccinated, so I think he's in the clear.

I understand why Franky Monet is annoyed, but at the same time she's just like the lady in The Snake by Al Wilson (not that one). Its not like WWE is some start up with no history of firing people indiscriminately, they've been doing this for years

I always felt I'd be pretty offended if I was the Young Bucks. Not by Top Dolla, but by everyone on Twitter who decided "He's talking about wrestlers who wear shit trainers? That has to be the Bucks"

It really does show the lack of direction in creative when you look at these releases. Tegan Nox gets called up, is undefeated on TV in 3 months, gets released. Hit Row are called up, given TV time and hyped as a big deal, released. Even Jaxon Ryker gets a mini run where he beats Elias every week, then does nothing before being released. It really does give a sense of pointlessness to everything.

Agree with Matt D about Soho's finisher, it felt like a really flat ending in the Kruel match (probably not helped by her hitting it to Kruel's left arm rather than anywhere near her head). I felt the same when it was the Riott Kick in WWE, she ends the match on her weakest looking move.

As it currently stands, I've got Hallowicked penciled in towards the bottom 5 of my list, albeit as a heart-over-head candidate. He's not going to be my highest Chikara guy, as both Kingston and Quack will rank higher, but as I said in his nomination he's got a good 20 year career under his belt now, and I'd say he's been good for the majority of that. I'll be watching plenty of Chikara over the next 5 years, so I'll be giving myself every chance to confirm my decision here. The thing I'm maybe struggling to justify most is having Hallowicked on my "maybe" list, whilst also seeing a bunch of his 00s indy peers (Aries, Punk, Davey Richards etc) all on my "not in consideration" list, but I just like him a lot more.

Aliyah being on team SmackDown is no less logical than only having one half of the women's tag champions on team Raw. In kayfabe, Nikki was womens champion 2 months ago, now she's deemed less worthy than Carmella and Liv Morgan?

Your best bet is picking up an IWTV subscription for $10 a month. Not only is there a large back catalogue of stuff on there, but they're regularly adding content and doing live streams. They currently stream a weekly show for Beyond that's normally very good. They've got a good line up of promotions on there, I'd especially recommend Action Wrestling, their shows are routinely excellent.

I think the early 2000s indie scene changed a lot of that. I know RoH was mainly built on a premise of selling tapes based on dream matches. I also remember reading an interview with the guy who ran 1PW in the UK, where he said booking Chris Hero vs Zack Sabre Jr wouldn't sell enough extra tickets to cover the cost of flying Hero in, but it was a match that might sell them a bunch of DVDs that wouldn't otherwise sell. I guess if promoters are thinking that way, then the wrestlers would also be aware of a home audience viewing their matches later.

I'm guessing that the idea is for people like Gargano, Ciampa, LA Knight to operate as player/coaches for a green roster of developmental talent. I've seen @rovert saying on Twitter than Gargano and Candice love mentoring people, as seen with their work with The Way. Bray can say creative sucks all he likes, I don't think any of us will dispute that, but given that a tweet came out over the weekend saying he had a vision to bring all the playhouse puppets to life as wrestlers, all played by himself, I think we can safely say a lot of the dogshit Fiend stuff was strictly on his shoulders.

Yeah, finally got a spare hour to give it a listen, really enjoyed it. Looking forward to the next few

I voted for Kevin, he was my highest placed von Erich in 2016 because of how much I love his scrappy nature, but I'm glad to see some votes in for Fritz too. Everything I've seen of him suggests he was an excellent wrestler, love the Baba matches and even his retirement match with Bundy is a lot of fun. If he had more footage available, I suspect he'd do really well.

Almost all my knowledge of US geography comes from WCW ring announcements in 1992 If I need to think what state Austin/Robbinsdale/Cincinnati are in, I just hear the name in Gary Michael Capetta's voice, and the state name follows automatically

As far as I'm aware, Aichner was born and raised in Italy, so it's probably his first language.

I'd forgotten about Gulak, but I think he's comfortably better than Cassidy and Ultramantis. Jigsaw is an interesting comparison, he's probably more well travelled than Hallowicked, possibly got good quicker too, but there's a reliability and consistency I like from Hallowicked

There's 5 von Erich's nominated for GWE, albeit with Waldo not a real part of the clan, and I'm interested to see who ends up higher. Kerry had the highest spot in 2016, but it feels like this could go any way. Maybe not Lacey, I guess...

Hallowicked May seem an odd choice on the surface of it, but he's got a near 20 years career at this point, and he's been good for the vast majority of it. Probably tied with Kingston for the best Chikara graduate, he's an interesting case where we've pretty much got his whole career on tape, especially in his formative years and he just gets wrestling very quickly. He has good matches with the likes of Mr ZERO in his first year, and managed to get a rare good match from Joey Janela in 2019, with plenty of good stuff in between. Good tag worker, reliable singles wrestler, and still one of those names that interests me when he'll pop up on a random indy card. Not saying he'll make my list, but he's definitely due consideration Matches vs Mr ZERO (International Invasion of the International Invaders 2003) vs Eddie Kingston (Anniversario? 2007) vs Joey Janela (Chikarasaurus Rex 2019)

I'd possibly be more excited for Danielson working a three week gauntlet of the Gunn Club, culminating in a Billy Gunn match, than anything else

Messiah was always my guy in CZW. I think because, given that a lot of the top card guys seemed like degenerates and fat guys in metal t-shirts, he just came across as a normal guy, who just happened to be a decent wrestler with only one thumb. I also remember seeing a clip on a Botchamania where he messed up a move, and responded to the subsequent abuse by telling the audience "Sorry, I've not been wrestling much lately". Glad to hear he's doing well.

I guess part of it is that Cole never made it to the main roster. His entire run was being pushed as the top guy in NXT, the leader of a dominating stable and working with his idol Shawn Michaels. His dealings with Vince were likely pretty minimal, so he's not going to have the frustrations others got.

Interesting to note the swing currently since 2016. In the master list, Reigns finished #416, Ambrose #275 and Rollins way in front at #207. Feels like it could be a complete swing around this time, a damning indictment on Rollins' post-Shield career. I voted for Reigns, I think he's proven himself to be a great main event worker, and he's the one I most enjoy watching. I also think he's the only one who's kept improving since the last GWE. The last time I really liked Ambrose was 2014 (there's a match he has with Mark Henry in that time frame on Main Event that's really excellent), but "Lunatic Fringe" era Ambrose was pretty blah for the most part. Even in AEW, where he's been let off the leash, he feel like an unconvincing tough guy, though the only PPV match I've seen from him was the unsanctioned match with Omega that I thought sucked, so he might have some decent big match stuff I've not seen. Rollins is a very distant 3rd.

Three guys who were pretty much linked together in GWE 2016, but have embarked on solo careers that have taken them in different directions since then.