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Awesome match and one of the best sub-5 minutes matches I've seen. The grappling at the beginning is insanely amazing and the rest of the bout is great too. *** 3/4
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Definitely a really good match but disappointing especially compared to something like Atlantis vs. V3. It seemed to lack the immense drama and emotion of that match. The finish was also terrible. *** 3/4
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One of the 3-5 best matches in the history of the company. Shockingly violent and stiff with top notch action and a great build to Reign's comeback. I know sometimes Brock is perceived as an offense machine but his character work, mannerisms and selling can be as good as anyone's. If only this had a proper finish. Screwy finishes in things like Shawn/Foley or Fujinami/Maeda don't usually hurt the matches but here the match felt incomplete because of the run-in. Still this is fantastic. ****3/4
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Can you point to specific example for those? I don't think I have ever seen a Satanico performance that was less than good so would like to see if that's true. There are few things in wrestling I like more than Negro Casas stomping on people's heads but Satanico is maybe the best brawler I have ever seen. Just pure aggression and viciousness combined with that Hansen quality of no breathing space. Also the best punches in history. Satanico had much greater peaks for me. Also think his character work is better. I had Casas in my Top 5 so am not exactly down on him but Satanico takes this.
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Agree with this. Visited some other message boards during the match and almost everyone is convinced Styles carried him to those matches while Reigns held him back. Plus they literally make up stuff to criticize his performance. I totally get not liking someone's character or presentation. But to absolutely refuse to acknowledge anything good they do and insist they are still terrible just because you don't like them/it's uncool to like them is a line of thinking I don't get.
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Both are tremendous and huge discoveries of the GWE project for me. I have watched as much as I could find for both and right now would put Rose slightly ahead. Bock has higher highs but I have seen disappointing Bock performances especially outside of AWA. Buddy has never disappointed me and has elevated literally everything I have seem him in.
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Funny they ended up back to back on the final list. Both rule and are incredibly consistent but Liger easily wins this for me for versatility, longevity and much higher peaks.
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Looking back this is a hard one. As an ace, I would definitely go Misawa because he personified that role better than anyone else in history for me (though I would have Hash as #2 all time ace). As a worker, not so sure. Peak Misawa is easily better and his top matches smoke Hash's top matches (in my opinion atleast). But Hashimoto has good to great matches against a much larger variety of opponents and was consistently great for a longer period of time. Could go either way.
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Before 1996 comfortably. Still after 1996 has a ton of great stuff - Incredibly loaded 1997, Battlarts/Futen, 97-99 RINGS, IWRG, 2001- 06 NOAH, mid 2000s ROH. For all the garbage they put out, WWE also has quite a lot of good-great matches.
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Santo has a longer duration of quality but Dandy wins for me because of higher peaks and versatility. It's close though.
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1) Jumbo Tsuruta - Mr. All Japan for me and the easy #1. 70s young gun, 80s top guy and 90s grumpy vet all tremendous runs 2) Mitsuharu Misawa - The definite ace when the promotion produced some of the greatest wrestling in history 3) Genichiro Tenryu - Tremendous 80s and early 2000s stuff 4) Terry Funk - Babyface Terry Funk in All Japan is one of my favorite things in wrestling 5/6/7) Kobashi/Kawada/Taue - Not much to separate them for 90s All Japan 8) Jun Akiyama - Really great in second half 90s and in my opinion is carrying All Japan on his back currently 9) Stan Hansen - Bulldozer in the 80s and aging vet in 90s. Tons of great matches 10) Giant Baba - Great stuff sprinkled over a few decades
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As of right now I think this is the best joshi match ever. Everything great about pro wrestling encapsulated in about 40 minutes. The non-decisive finish also sets up the rematch perfectly. I completely understand if anyone has this as their GOAT match. *****
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- November 26
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Strongly agree with this. Does not age well is literally the last thing I would say about this match. Meltzer's review of this match is honestly pretty bad because he puts all the emphasis on Liger's spots (which are amazing mind you) but completely ignores the aspects that truly make it great. Anyways PeteF3's review and the initial reviews of Loss are tremendous and pretty much sum up why this is a near perfect absolute all time classic, IMO. *****
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A masterpiece. Honestly thought the initial portion did an amazing job to set up the story of the match and the characters and the Santo vs. Dandy portion had some of the best brawling ever. *****
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- December 6
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Easily the best death match ever. It was based around teases, selling and building to and culminating in a few holy shit spots instead of mindless violence. I wish this was the norm today. **** 1/2 - **** 3/4
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[1998-08-01-NJPW-G1 Climax] Genichiro Tenryu vs Shinya Hashimoto
Microstatistics replied to Loss's topic in August 1998
High-end all-out slugfest. But the real greatness resides in their amazing selling of the pain and damage and in them genuinely trying pound the other into oblivion, instead of it being a pointless pissing match. **** 1/4- 12 replies
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The second best match built around dueling body part work ever (behind Samurai vs. Ohtani 1/96). An absolute masterclass of selling and limb psychology. ****1/4
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[2016-04-24-AJPW] Jun Akiyama vs The Bodyguard
Microstatistics replied to GOTNW's topic in April 2016
Really good stuff. Tons of action held together by Jun's masterful selling. *** 3/4- 1 reply
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Honestly I thought the Misawa vs. Kawada match was really good and an interesting chapter in their rivalry (which AJPW had kind of bungled at this point). Only these guys could cram that level of storytelling into 7 minutes. An exhausted and hurt Misawa trying to survive but being unable to. Kawada's post match mannerisms and the crowd supporting Misawa were perfect. There is no reaction from him, no joy, because he knows his first singles victory was hardly a definite one and so far he has only been able to beat Misawa with the help of Taue or after Misawa had already wrestled a 30 minute draw. *** 1/2
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The relation between execution and characters
Microstatistics replied to GOTNW's topic in Pro Wrestling
Tenryu's execution fits his character perfectly for me. I just can't imagine him with smooth and perfectly executed offense. Honestly don't even think the offense is that sloppy, just rough around the edges which is a big distinction. -
A " total is greater than the sum of his parts" wrestlers
Microstatistics replied to GOTNW's topic in Pro Wrestling
Wait I don't understand what your criteria is if you disagree with every pick so far. Most people are picking wrestlers based on this. Also as for Loss saying Iizuka being "better" than Hash, it's in terms of base skills and not in terms of the stuff highlighted so obviously he thinks overall Hash is definitely the superior pro wrestler, which is basically the premise of the thread. -
One of the best tag matches of the decade. Just non-stop action with intensity, violence, blood, psychology and selling. Incredible amount of hate too. My favorite spot is where Jumbo is seconds away from being beaten but Tenryu is more concerned with beating the fuck out of Choshu at ringside than saving the match. **** 1/2
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A " total is greater than the sum of his parts" wrestlers
Microstatistics replied to GOTNW's topic in Pro Wrestling
More that I think about it, Jerry Lawler is pretty much the epitome of this. If you look at the little details of his matches, there is hardly anything there. Kind of an nonathletic guy (not in an able to do flips and fly kind of sense, but in terms of how he moved or how fluid he looked) who threw a lot of punches and actually did very little of anything else. He seems extremely limited. Yet almost every match of his as a whole is, at worst, decent to good regardless of opponent or length mainly because of his presence, charisma and ability to pace a match.