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If you are showing somebody who has never seen pro wrestling before some pro wrestling, I almost feel like saying go with something like an episode of Lucha Underground or ECW Hardcore TV. Something fast paced, where there are big bumps, good promos, crazy spots, and blood.

As for the Peyton Manning thing- the HGH rumor doesn't matter at all. The sitting on an athletic trainer's face while bare-assed, holding her head down, and farting in her mouth, I heard about that 15 years ago and it surprises me that its never been made a big deal of until now.

Casa, Eddie, Blue Panther, Rey Jr., Satanico, Hiro de Santo, El Dandy, Atlantis, Vilano III, Sangre Chicano, Negro Navarro, Art Barr.

CM Punk. without a doubt.There is a video somewhere of CM Punk at a wrestling clinic being done by Liger in fall of 2004. The clinic took place right before those matches with Samoa Joe and less than a year before the Summer of Punk. Punk is the worst guy in every single drill. He was probably 6 years into his career and was by far worse at basic rolls, bumps, and running the ropes than guys who had yet to have their first match. I think that embodies being more than the sum of the parts.

in BJW, the gimmick matches that have upped the violence. The 10000 light tube match, the razor board match, the gusset plate match. Watching these is like watching somebody contract Hep-C.

What did Titus even do?

Every Foley promo from ECW. Dibiase-Murdoch-Flair from Mid South Terry Gordy slamming the cage door on Kerry von Erich. Every vignette Raven did while in ECW while feuding with either Sandman, Dreamer, or Terry Funk. Choshu being attacked before the tag match in 86. Hansen's debut in AJPW. Michael Hayes's promo on Edge where he just rips Edge a new asshole and rants on everything wrong with todays generation.

Flair and HHH are similar in that they both tanked matches with Scotty Steiner. HHH does make my list. He's somewhere in the 80s.

I think anybody who plays a contact sport has had a concussion or two. I had 3 that were diagnosed and probably 2 or 3 more that weren't. That was back 15 years ago in the dark ages when you sat out a few days to a week and went back to practice as soon as the headaches went away. Looking at wrestling I'm amazed that there aren't more concussions. It would seem a back bump is a concussion waiting to happen. Flair didn't do any back bumps after the plane crash and he seemed to get by. I honestly have a hard time watching some of the head drops in AJPW and the chair shots in ECW. There are a lot of guys that seem to do just fine without taking back bumps without doing headbutts or taking chair shots.

I watched a bunch of the matches on the the Chicago Film Archives back when it got posted on youtube. Rogers was the guy that stood out, head and shoulders above everybody else. He has a natural charisma that the other guys of that era just don't have as well as an ear for the crowd. Have only seen a little bit of Schmidt... will watch tomorrow. Hey are you the Rah that was on the puroresu.tv board?

Buddy Rogers. Currently at 12. Highest of anybody from that era by far.

I could see potentially voting for 3 or 4 Dragon Gate/Toryumon guys. He would be one of them. Great in the 6 mans vs M2K. Great individual matches in tournaments and for the title. His stuff with Ryo Saito always made me laugh. Actually a lot of his stuff made me laugh. So yeah, I could see him being somewhere in the bottom 20s as just a personal favorite.

That sounds like it was a blast, man. And I'm loving "smart fans saying crazy wrong shit". It's an evolution from the old days of hearing fans go on about urban legends To be fair I think when men are talking about sports they have a tendency to talk out of their ass and blatantly lie to compensate for not knowing what they are talking about. When it comes to art, especially performance art, everybody bullshits to seem cultured. When you take wrestling you get the worst of both worlds.

So from my experience of the 1 month trial period so far. WWE has compared the network the Netflix. It is like Netflix in that it is a streaming service. It is not like Netflix in that 1) it has ads, 2) it has frequent technical problems, 3) it cost more, 4) it has a limited enough selection that I can make my way through everything I want to see in a few days of being sick, and 5) the search feature is less than helpful.

I like the double foot stomp. Its one of the few top rope moves where I think "wow that could break a few ribs of the guys taking it" and not "wow that is preposterous"

Flair vs Steamboat from Philly 89 Hart vs Magee

He's in one of my favorite matches ever so yeah, I'd put him in my top 100.

There are plenty of people I'd rank, based on seeing them on a handful of times because they are that good. The Blond Bombers (both as a team and as singles), Thez, O'Conner, Rogers, Sangre Chicana, MS-1, Billy Robinson, etc. Its like the story of when saw Kobe work out the first time. After 20 minutes he stopped the work out and said "I'm leaving I've seen all I need to see" There are some wrestlers that are just that good it doesn't matter how little footage of them exists.

saw the one with Simmons, very good I thought.

The issue with ROH and Omega was what Omega did. He cancelled his ROH appearance saying that he was injured and unable to wrestle that weekend. In fact that weekend he had double booked himself in ROH and DDT. Rather than just saying he accidently double booked himself and a tour of Japan makes more than a weekend with ROH, he lied to the ROH people saying that he had to cancel because he was hurt. So I'm surprised he would ever be back in an ROH ring.

As for Shibata vs Ishii, I thought their Dome match was sort of a spoof of or an homage to their previous matches. It was almost as if they were self aware of what the previous matches had been. It sort of felt like they were going for the meta. If any of that makes any sense

I went to a number of indy shows from 2001 to 2004 back when he was making his underground indy rep. Never once was he the best guy on the show and never once was he in the best match. He far exceeded my expectations of what he would do in the WWE. At his last show in Philly for ROH where he had the time limit draw with Daniels people were chanting "Boring" and I was wondering how the fuck is this guy going to make it in WWE. I saw serious potential in Brian Kendrick, Low Ki, Colt Cabana, American Dragon, Russ Haas, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Steve Corino, Bobby Rude, and a bunch of other guys I saw in MCW, ECWA, ROH, MLW, CZW, etc. However CM Punk was not one of them. His WWE career truly exceeded all of my wildest expectactions.

I partially agree with this, but there's other guys who've never been portrayed as shooters and they pull this off really well. DBryan is one of the best I've seen incorporating real grappling skills into the wrestling world. The Gracies for example did horribly the couple of times I saw them in New Japan. Back to Lucha Underground, Jim Cornette seemed to be overly critical of it: I love Cornette. He makes some good points. And Danielson would be somebody I would use as an example for what I'm talking about. He trains in Catch (and is supposedly really, really good), he wrestled in high school (and was really good) so when he does shooty MMA stuff it looks credible. When somebody without that sort of background does it, it just looks bad, ie somebody like the people on Lucha Underground.

Dragon Lee vs Kamaitachi was very very good.

I would complain if Jack Evans got any offense in on Mil. Not just because of the size difference but because of who they are... its Jack Evans and Mil Muetes... I have no problem with Muertes selling for 5'8" Pentagon Jr. because Pentagon Jr. is built as bad, bad, man. And as for the MMA in a real fight thing... Who has seen a real fight where some untrained guy tried to pull off an armbar or pull guard or some thing and got wrecked? Its hilarious. As for MMA/ catch moves in pro wrestling, if a wrestler can actually shoot or at least can present himself as a shooter it works. The rest of the time it just looks really sloppy to me.