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So Tarzan Boy is turning rudo, huh? I'm sure if that is such a good idea. He was starting to improve after working in Monterrey and it's not as though there's a ton of good tecnicos running around. A decent tecnico is worth their weight in gold. But he was never fully embraced by the Arena Mexico crowd so perhaps this move makes sense. In any event, he seems fit for the role. I couldn't believe him stripping off his jorts. The match was really just an angle but it was pretty good storyline progression. I never tire of watching Bestia slap the shit out of people. It's one of those little things that remind me I'm watching lucha. I also liked the tecnicos' work in the second caida. In fact, I thought it was one of Atlantis' better performances in a while. The second half of his year has really suffered from the typical CMLL booking practice of pushing a worker back down the card after a big program. They didn't do it with Villano III but there was definitely a cooling off period for Atlantis. Perhaps this feud with Tarzan Boy will give him some fresh material. It's too bad that spot where he fell through the ropes looked like a blatant dive but I guess it was a hard spot to execute, And CMLL camerawork is never the best. Perhaps the highlight of the match was the crowd reaction when it seemed like Tarzan Boy would turn. The bemusement and puzzled looks were fun to watch. Shocker taunting the fans on the ramp was beyond awesome. What a stud he's been all year long. His in-ring work with Tarzan Boy was awesome as well. Those two have great chemistry. It's a shame that they didn't milk more from it prior to the turn. It seems like Monterrey got more out of the pairing than CMLL did. Anyway, time to sit back and see where it's al heading.
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[2000-10-08-Michinoku Pro] Great Sasuke vs Naomichi Marufuji
ohtani's jacket replied to soup23's topic in October 2000
Hey, Sasuke still exists. This was a decent match held together by some solid grappling from Sasuke and steady transition work. It was a bit soft for my tastes but neither guy fits the mold of the type of wrestler I like. Marufuji never felt like a threat, which put a cap on how exciting the match was. But it was a well-worked bout from a technical standpoint and had a nice flow to it. I was kind of looking for a blow away veteran performance from Sasuke but I think I was expecting a bit too much from what was really a guest spot from Marufuji. -
How do you factor in agents/trainers when evaluating wrestlers?
ohtani's jacket replied to fxnj's topic in Pro Wrestling
This sounds like Great Match Theory. I can't remember if I was for or against Great Match Theory. People can appreciate different aspects of the finished product but if I'm enjoying a match because of a wrestler's technique, for example, I never think about how it felt to be the guy he was wrestling. Just like I never think about how many takes it took to shoot a scene or whose idea it was to shoot something a certain way. Those things would be interesting to know but I don't think the people involved want you to know them. I think you can judge a wrestler by how consistently good they are. Whose stuff always looks good? Who always gives a solid performance? That sort of thing. Personally. I just like whoever I like at the moment but just like there are actors who can give good performances in bad films or with lousy scripts there are ways to judge wrestlers regardless of pre-production. I get the point about the modern worker and the new requirements they're faced with but even in that context surely it's possible to gauge who does a better job of working the agent style than others. The original point about Kim may have had as much to do with her not adjusting to the WWE house style as it did any failing on the production side. How many times did we see someone jump ship to the WWE and struggle to adjust to the wrestling style? In some cases it took them years to learn how to wrestle the "WWF way." Anyway, this is all very complicated. I like the guys who wrestle well and make interesting faces. -
The juniors continue to bring the ruckus. This was a fun house show level match. The three Wagner fans in their masks made for a lively atmosphere early on and the bout kept ticking along with plenty of good action. The selling wasn't the greatest and guys accumulated a bit too much damage to keep realistically kicking out but if you just want to watch some fun juniors action then this was a breeze. Tanaka was always a junior at heart so has fit seamlessly into the division and Wagner in New Japan is always fun. I think he broke his own record for how many times you can audibly say the word 'motherfucker' on a live TV taping. Liger continued his run of indifferent performances in 2000 but he didn't need to be outstanding for this to be a decent hitout for the juniors division.
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How do you factor in agents/trainers when evaluating wrestlers?
ohtani's jacket replied to fxnj's topic in Pro Wrestling
We dont really know the inner workings of any creative endeavour. All we can do is judge the final product. If certain folks get a disproportional amount of credit for the final result then thats the way it goes. Its not like the booker or road agent are looking to take credit for authoring the match. What they do is behind the scenes and meant to make the wrestlers look good. The same thing happens all the time in music, movies and television so while it would be great to praise matches as a collective effort I dont think its something we can achieve without production credits. -
What do you consider to be your promotion
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Even when the Dump vs. Crush Girls feud was at its height, Chigusa and Lioness were already trying to break the mold of what an idol should be and were beginning to incorporate a UWF influence into their work. Its kind of surreal watching the schoolgirls lose their shit over the Crush Girls while the Crush Girls are working a hybrid style. But if youre talking sporty then the ultimate test of how much you can enjoy or tolerate Joshi has to be the 87 Lioness vs. Asuka match. I wouldnt want people thinking that 80s Joshi was somehow different from the 90s stuff. There is a natural evolution and you can see the roots of the 90s stuff throughout the 70s and 80s footage.
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Now that Ive settled on Hamada as one of the bright young stars of Josh, Im inclined to watch more of her stuff. I think she may have been better than Satomura at this point which is something I wouldnt have dreamed of saying a few weeks ago. I liked the way she wouldnt take any shit from Shimoda and beat the crap out of her, since frankly she was a much tougher specimen than Mima. The match was a bit disjointed since Im not sure that Ayakos sister fully understood the ebb and flow of Joshi pro-wrestling but it wasnt too bad. Omukai is a really awkward worker. She reminds me of KAORU in that respect. I know she has her fans but I find her work jarring. She paired up well with Shimoda though. This was pretty much only worth watching to track Hamadas progress but I did enjoy her performance.
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This was a good match. The Samurai TV commentary was inane but all four girls were out there doing their thing. Sakai and Yabushita were good workers who came along at the wrong time and could have gotten a better run if they'd entered the business a bit earlier. I don't think that their idol combination worked that well but you could tell that they were Jaguar trainees. I thought Haruyama worked really hard in this and to be fair she was the glue that kept it together. Kuragaki was decent but the least impressive of the four. The match petered out toward the end and they probably kept it going for longer than necessary but they weren't that experienced so I thought this was fairly good for young talent.
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I always liked the team of Nagashima, and Sato and Ozaki vs. Nagashima is almost always worth watching, so I was looking forward to this. The match was worked at a cracking pace and there was a lot of great teamwork from both combinations. Ozaki and Nagashima were every bit as good as I expected. They fought tooth and nail the entire way. They match up well in terms of size and both women are relentless in attack. Nagashima was the Queen of Reversals and here they had an extra edge to them. They seemed nasty and uncooperative and even the sloppy ones seemed gritty. Sato's role was to neutralise Masami, which is no task, but they played up her power and size a lot and she got two big moves on Devil. The young girls' strategy paid off in the end and it was great to see them get the win. A few more nearfalls would have made for an even better match but there was a long mic performance at the end. I quite like the faction of bitchy veterans in GAEA even if they're all well past their prime. This had much better booking than that Maekawa/Watanabe nonsense.
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Remember that time that Maekawa turned on Watanabe and nobody gave a shit? This was a horribly executed turn. The commentators were far too "on the nose" about it and it wasn't built to in a meaningful way whatsoever. LCO may be the most tired act of 2000 which doesn't really help matters but Maekawa and Watanabe couldn't sell their way out of a paper bag when it comes to executing a dramatic angle. Watanabe did her usual bladejob and was whimpering on the way to the back and that was about as much emotion as we got. Pretty lame.
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What do you consider to be your promotion
ohtani's jacket replied to Mad Dog's topic in Pro Wrestling
Growing up it was the WWF but I don't have any sentimental feelings towards it. My mate who I grew up watching wrestling with likes to listen to podcasts about old WWF shows (what's that popular one by the Irish guys?) He's forever encouraging me to listen to them but I have zero interest. -
Billy Goelz and other 50s finds
ohtani's jacket replied to ohtani's jacket's topic in The Microscope
I've been watching some footage of Dick Shikat. What a wrestling specimen he was. I've said it before but he really was like a 1920s Horst Hoffman. There are outtakes of a grappling exhibition he did for some newsreel that showcase his beautiful technique. His matches seemed heated as well so it appears that he had a good sense of how to work the crowd. A fine wrestler if ever I saw one. -
This was the opening night of the Tag League the Best tournament. Pretty standard round robin stuff. The Toyota vs. Ito rivalry has been one of my favourite things in Joshi but aside from one hellacious hiptoss from Ito they didn't do anything special. Toyota and Wakizawa had been the TLTB winners the year prior and watching them troll each other here was pretty cringeworthy. Wakizawa is kind of annoying in general. I like her Gap Band outfits even if they're twenty years out of date but she doesn't have enough charisma to oull off her jokey persona. At least not for me. I do like her headscissors spot, though. Noumi, on the other hand, is a bit bland. Neither of them look like the future and both of them dragged this down, but it was the round robin. I was looking forward to a bit more with Toyota and Ito on opposite sides, but a match with a couple of dives at the end was about as good as you could expect.
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God, this was weak. New trunks don't disguise the fact that Kobashi is practically immobile. Watching him shuffle instead of walk is one of the more uncomfortable sights of the year. I suppose NOAH deserves some credit for changing their booking so that they weren't simply AJPW Redux but this was super weak compared to that AJPW vs. NJPW tag which also featured a broken down performer in the form of Masahiro Chono. You've got work to do NOAH if you're going to change my opinion by December.
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Wrestlers with largest timespan between 2 great matches
ohtani's jacket replied to Jetlag's topic in Pro Wrestling
Actually, the Regal match against Singh isn't bad. The one from Sun City in 1988. -
Wrestlers with largest timespan between 2 great matches
ohtani's jacket replied to Jetlag's topic in Pro Wrestling
Regal's best match before joining WCW was a 1990 handheld against Robbie Brookside. Finlay has the Young David match and a host of other great matches up until his gimmick takes over. He definitely has the advantage over Regal. I have Grey's last great ITV match pinned as the Brooks match in '86. At some point, I should watch his 00s stuff. I'm sure that if we had footage from the fault that a ton of British wrestlers would make the cut. -
This is a fun thread that I didn't realise existed. I go through cycles with my hobbies but here's what I've been into lately: Films Lately, I've only been watching genre pictures. I delved into Blaxploitation for the first time and was surprised by how well made a lot of the films were. I was expecting them to all be like Dolemite. I also began watching a lot of early Richard Harrison films because my mate showed me his Godfrey Ho films on YouTube and I was curious about his career. I've watched a few Shaw Brothers films too in recent weeks. Music I started exploring Japanese rock music after I found a couple of different lists of the best Japanese rock albums. I started with the Happy End and then got super into X Japan. My co-workers are amused by this since X Japan were big in the 90s. I traced some of their influences are started getting into Charged G.H.B and the UK82 scene, which led to exploring Crossover Thrash. Sports I'm following the NBA playoffs at present. I'm a Warriors and Celtics fan so I have a vested interest in both conferences. The All Blacks will play their first rugby tests of the year in June so I am looking forward to that, and I am a huge Roger Federer fan so I am looking forward to seeing him make his return on grass. Comics A mate of mine got me the Japanese manga Berserk a few months ago. It's a dark fantasy manga that is pretty mindblowing at times. I haven't read a ton of manga but I was into Berserk enough to read some 350 chapters within a month.
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Wrestlers with largest timespan between 2 great matches
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I am an old man and don't know who Sam Adonis is. -
It had to have been a mindfuck for Kawada to wrestle both Sasaki and Tenryu in the same month after he'd been in the doghouse for arguing that All Japan should encourage interpromotional feuds. Then again, Kawada being Kawada he probably just shrugged it off. My perspective on this was a little different from the "Best of Japan" voters in that I wasn't really concerned with how this compared to the rest of the decade. My initial thoughts were how it compared to the other matches I've seen from October, then how it compared to the rest of 2000, and finally how it compared to other Tenryu matches. Tenryu is a great worker but he's not a guy who has a lot of MOTYCs let alone MOTD contenders. He has great matches but they're great Tenryu matches not MOTYCs. This was a great Tenryu match. It was much better than the work in the Tenryu/Hansen vs. Kawada/Williams tag. The focal point was Kawada and Tenryu laying into each other. If you don't like watching two workers whale on each other then you'd probably find this overrated but for fans of both men, it was exactly what you'd want. The criticism of the legwork was meaningless to me especially when Kawada sold the finish like death. The strikes in this match were almost at an Ikeda vs. Ishikawa level. Tenryu's punches were beautiful. Sasaki vs. Kawada was the better spectacle because of the heat but this was the better match workwise. My favorite All Japan match of the year.
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ohtani's jacket replied to Jetlag's topic in Pro Wrestling
Don't forget about Blue Panther. Blue Panther -- 21 years vs. Atlantis (1991) vs. Casas (2012) He may have had a great match lately. I haven't been paying attention.