Grimmas

You hate the style? You don't think Spike is a good underdog brawler? What do you have against Balls? If you don't like the style, I can understand that. I still don't see why you would post that they are garbage. Lots of styles I don't like, doesn't mean all the workers are garbage. If it's something else, please explain. I can see them not making anybody lists, but garbage?

To be fair, I think it's always been a part of wrestling, for decades and decades, that when they hammer home too hard the idea that someone has someone else's back, a turn may well happen. They usually tease something first. They have teased nothing except them being good friends even family.Maybe in the match they can tease it so it makes sense, but nothing before now indicates anything.

Hogan vs Patera could be a huge feud in 83. Actually if I was the AWA I would build around that for months.

That probably isn't true. People wouldn't speculate on it if there weren't possible signs. I have watched every Raw for 7 weeks. Where are the hints? Haven't watched much lately but I have heard that they have been playing up the Reigns/Ambrose friendship just a tad bit too much, like as Masked Man of Grantland (ugh) says, a reverse foreshadowing. Ambrose and Reigns being friends is somehow a sign that one is turning? That is stupid Russo bullshit. There has been zero distension. There hasn't even been a mistake that lead to a loss.

That probably isn't true. People wouldn't speculate on it if there weren't possible signs. I have watched every Raw for 7 weeks. Where are the hints?

Yeah, pretty much what I thought looking at those. Now, this one in particular watched in a vaacum and not on a binge ECW watch, I have no idea what I'd think of it if, and I emphasize the if, it's one I actively fast forwarded through. That being said, both Spike & Balls were pretty much unbereable to me on their own already, so... So you are talking out of your ass and have no idea what the match is, yet it is unwatchable and unbearable? Either re-watch the match or don't trash it. Most people have praised it really high. Why trash something you have no memory of?

I think this will be a good wrestling show, but the booking will make me not care going forward. As good as I think the women's, Wyatt-Shield and Cesaro-Owens could be I am still not excited for this show. A turn would come out of nowhere, no hints on TV. Rollins-Cena just had a long match on TV. I don't care about Orton. Brock-Taker wasn't good at Mania. The only booking of the main that I would like is Brock squashing Taker ala Brock squashing Cena in a short Pride FC style fight. On the other hand, so pumped for NXT!

It's amazing how they had great matches in 99/00, 06/07 and 13/14. That's quite a wide spread and I think I will need to find room for them. That MNM stuff is really amazing to go back and watch how great it is and how different it is than their earlier run.

I guess saying it is unwatchable, because you didn't watch it makes sense. However if you actually watch that match it is freaking great. Here are all the thoughts in the match thread: Charles: Tim: Chad: and the one negative view Tim Evans:

Peterborough forgot to send in their report to Smeltzer, so it was a little late. Here you go, though: Maple Leaf Wrestling August 19, 1983 at Memorial Centre in Peterborough, Ontario 1. Ivan Koloff pinned Ben Bassarab @ 12:23 2. Tiger Jackson pinned Tiny Tom @ 7:11 3. Greg Valentine pinned Buzz Tyler @ 8:35 4. NWA Canadian Champion Rick Martel defeated Mr. Saito by DQ after interference by Jesse Ventura and Masked Samurai @ 13:25. After some vicious shots Dick Murdoch and Tony Garea made the save. Intermission: 5. Dick Murdoch & Tony Garea def. Jesse Ventura & Masked Samurai when Murdoch pinned Ventura @ 8:42. 6. Cuban Assassin pinned Stephen Petipas after Bobby Bass nailed Petipas with the maraca @ 8:45 7. Leo Burke pinned Killer Karl Krupp @ 7:54 8. Wahoo McDaniel pinned Super Russian w/ Don Carson @ 21:45. This match saw Alexis Smirnoff, Buzz Tyler and Ivan Koloff all trying to interfere in this wild brawl. The referee banned them all, leaving these two alone.

Yeah I'm thinking a prime time wrestling type show. Show stuff that was taped and TV dark matches. Actually kind of part Prime Time Wrestling, part Best of the WWF and part showing past matches that hype upcoming shows.

Everything with the Match, description, Winner format is taped. Everything that is just a list is not! These matches should appear on the new Maple Leaf Wrestling TV show, debuting soon.

What boring booking though. I wish they would just ditch the MITB altogether.

Even the TV match from Chicago? Loss was real high on it, I had it as the best match in ECW history. Unwatchable is a huge stretch.

They had a really great series of matches in '99 against the Dudleys.. but not enough.

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His commentary on Raw was so refreshing. He should be the new hot star in the company and facing guys like Brock and Cena, but he's not even close and is essentially dead.

Is there an example of a guy who got pushed to the top, moved down and worked as a midcarder and then became a legit drawing main eventer again?

Ok, we have found a promotion that rivals Montreal for its tag team division!

Maple Leaf Wrestling August 20, 1983 at Oshawa Civic Auditorium in Oshawa, Ontario 1. Butch Cassidy, Tiny Tom and Little Tokyo vs Tiger Jackson, Cowboy Lang & Little Coco A high tempo opener where Tokyo would only get into the ring with Jackson if he was hurt. Jackson pinned Cassidy in the end. Winners - Tiger Jackson, Cowboy Lang & Little Coco @ 10:49 2. Cuban Assassin & Bobby Bass vs Bob & Joe Marcus A squash win for the heels. Winners - Cuban Asssasin & Bobby Bass @ 5:01 3. "Outlaw" Joel Deaton vs Buzz Tyler An intense brawl ends abruptly after a big boot by Deaton knocks out Tyler. Winner - Joel Deaton @ 6:50 4. NWA Canadian Tag Team Champions Ivan Koloff & Super Russian w/ Don Carson vs Rocky Johnson & "Big" Stephen Petipas Before the match Cuban Assassin and Bobby Bass laid out Rocky Johnson leaving him bloody. The match was mostly a handi-cap match until Rocky joined in the end for the hot tag. However Koloff was able to over come and win with the flying knee. Winners - Ivan Koloff & Super Russian @ 11:50 5. Mr. Saito w/ Jesse Ventura vs Tiger Conway Jr. Mr. Torture gets the win after a few hope spots by Conway. Winner - Mr. Saito @ 7:24 6. Paul Christy vs Leo Burke Burke looks great here getting the win. Christy has control for a bit by cheating, but Burke comes on strong with a leg lariat victory. Winner - Leo Burke @ 8:00 7. Greg "The Hammer" Valentine w/ Don Carson vs Wahoo McDaniel Alexis Smirnoff came to ringside after a few times that Carson interfered on Valentine's behave. The referee gets knocked down after Valentine ducked a lariat and nailed him. At this point Smirnoff entered the ring to go after Valentine. Wahoo held Valentine and Smirnoff tried to nail him with a chair, but Valentine ducked and Wahoo got laid out. Hammer then put on the figure-four as the referee woke up and go the fall to The Hammer. Winner - Greg Valentine @ 18:25 8. NWA Canadian Champion Rick Martel vs "Dirty" Dick Murdoch A babyface vs babyface where Murdoch started to play a subtle heel as the match continued. Martel won with the slingshot splash. Winner - Rick Martel @ 21:57