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I didn't think Jericho had something like this in him this late in his run as this was great and felt like the stuff in early 1998. I really think Jericho was fabulous as a talker and overall heel in 1998. Groundbreaking stuff all around and would be #1 in year end awards if Mr. McMahon didn't exist.
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I was so into this and then so out as soon as Ric collapsed. Him bringing up past history without seeming old and dated was great. The heart attack stuff was awful with people like Tony and Gene trying to manufacture sympathy. I did like Doug Dillenger insisting in the back that Arn was riding in the ambulance. Hall and Bam Bam get into it backstage. Nash really wanted everyone to get a shine off of Bam Bam.
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Kanyon tells Raven to shut the fuck up and reveals his entitled past and how well off he was. Kanyon just became a big babyface in my book.
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[1998-12-13-WWF-Rock Bottom] Steve Austin vs The Undertaker (Buried Alive)
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in December 1998
A shitty end to a fitting shitty feud we have had. it was smart for Austin to take a break after this as nothing felt organic or worked here. Kane and Austin as buddies will never cease being weird. I look forward to 1999 with the Vince stuff coming back into focus and Austin honing in on Mania. -
Pre match stuff was weird and convoluted. Finishing stretch here was fun and action was better than Survivor Series. The near fall on the title belt was great. I hated the finish though as Vince essentially just said the title wasn't changing hands which brings into question why the referee called for the bell anyway. They try to get the crowd back with Mick wiping out the Corporation but it feels pretty cheap.
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[1998-12-13-FMW-Year End Sensation] Hisakatsu Oya vs Tetsuhiro Kuroda
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in December 1998
This did look good and a big night for Oya. Maybe one to watch in full sometime as FMW continues to sprinkle up and have a lot of entertaining stuff.- 4 replies
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[1998-12-13-FMW-Year End Sensation] Hayabusa vs Hisakatsu Oya
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in December 1998
This was good and I did like Oya consistently trying to grind the match back to the mat. I also thought this didn't run into the trope that Busa matches can at times with the long extended finish that makes me feel like they are blowing through too many moves. The flash pin showing that Busa came in overconfident was smart in this case. (***1/2)- 4 replies
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I disagree with this as the Lariat had been presented as pretty much death the entire year so I thought it was well protected and an appropriate finish. I also thought at 19 minutes this was the correct length and a big reduction from the time limits in most of the big tag matches from the decade.
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Iron Man isn't odd at all when you consider wwe.com history of these things. They ranked it the greatest WWE Championship match of all time for example.
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http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/20879-best-of-japan-2000-2009-vote/ Pick and choose what you want from there. I would recommend reading the threads in the Match Discussion archive as well as there has been so great stuff written by Sleeze, Dawho5, Graham Crackers, Alan and Childs.
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No Bix or Pete run ins will do wonders for you.
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I was a little disappointed in the tag as while the studio matches in PPW have went a little longer, we seem to be in a rut and at least with the MSC clips, we got some sense of a blowoff. Seriously Baxter needs to chill out as he went along with Hales ploy for most of that angle. (*1/2)
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Falk will do anything to win Hales favor including embarrassing himself by putting a cake in his face.
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I also marked that Doring and Roadkill cropped up here as they were the perennial mid carders when I started watching ECW as a 12 year old in 1999. The Dudley promo here finishing this edition out was good with Bubba doing a long form interview and DVon looking pissed. This was better than the last few Pulp Fiction editions.
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I have so checked out on all of these segments with somber Joey shooting on us. They seem dare I saw TNA'ish with Tenay screaming "WE KNOW WHO THIS IS".
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Titans of Wrestling #37: WWF March 1981
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[1998-12-07-WWF-Raw] The Rock & The Undertaker vs Steve Austin & Mankind
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in December 1998
Shoddy angle for a dreadful feud. This is legit wrestlecrap stuff and an awful build. I still say we havent found the lows of the funeral home stint but I can't see how anyone would have been pumped for the match based on what we have seen. If these four were motivated and in the right frame of mind, they probably could have had a fun traditional tag match. (*1/4) -
Yes! that brief moment when I wanted Kiern to be the star of the 1990's.
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Great post Marty. I think it comes down a lot to expectations going in. Tropes have been around for years that so and so sucks or Junk Food Dog that it becomes second nature and as a viewer, you go in with those predisposed expectation and look for anything to attack and pounce on. Luger and Savage are both old so this must have been a shitty match between two guys over the heel holding down crusierweights that were filling out the undercards. You come for the undercard with WCW PPV's and turn it off before the main event. Nitro was full of great cruiserweight matches. This shit has been spewed for a while now. There is some truth in parts of it but it isn't equal. This is true for everyone though. A couple of months back I watched the Tenryu vs. Araya match from January 1998. I thought it was poor overall and especially Tenryu gave a confusing performance that had no rhyme or reason. I never expect Tenryu to be the most crisp wrestler around, but here he was sloppy and scatterbrained. However, I was a tad reluctant for a minute in really digging into the match on my comments. I do love Tenryu as a wrestler afterall. For about two minutes I pondered this and then said fuck that, I am calling a spade a spade and I stand by Tenryu being garbage in the above match. Sometimes we feel the need to justify or give equal passes to guys we enjoy and are quick to lambast individuals we loathe. Simmons vs. Luger is another good example from Havoc 1991. This has been a divisive match in my wrestling circle lately. I think the main criticism is that both guys especially Luger looked blown up. That only adds to the match for me that they sold a sense of exasperation and fatigue. Whereas Flair sweating like crazy is seen as him working hard and making the most out of a 20 minute match, this was seen as Luger being gassed out and out of it. I think the finish of that match with him adjusting his finisher on Simmons' injured shoulder shows a level of intuitiveness we rarely get in current day wrestling. It is splendid adjustment that showed someone not sucking air and going through the motions. Motivations will always exist of fans. My hope is to try to be as unbiased as possible and let the performance speak for itself.
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[1998-12-07-WWF-Raw] HHH & X-Pac vs Big Bossman & Ken Shamrock
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The Val Venis and Rock impersonation were my favorite. Also, a British lass wants to get Stunned from Stone Cold.
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It looks like the Outlaws have went corporate. HHH and HBK have a long discussion that was kind of annoying as there isn't much payoff with Shawn not being able to get physical. HHH getting injured really derailed him coming off the SummerSlam momentum.
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[1998-12-07-WCW-Nitro] Goldberg vs Kevin Nash vs Bam Bam Bigelow
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in December 1998
This was a huge crowd and they deserved better than this two minute sequence. Goldberg high fives Roger Clemens coming to ringside. I have not dug the Nash vs. Goldberg build at all and it just feels like a black cloud hanging over what was to come.- 4 replies
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Piper got way too much 1998 tv time but this was ok to promote his upcoming project.
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Nash has completely shoe horned his way into the Bam Bam vs. Goldberg feud and effected it from a heat and interest standpoint.
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