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  1. El-P
    It's impossible to know one way or another. Watch Yoshiaki Yatsu in 1989. You can never guess he was a great worker back in 1986. We'll never know about Stevens without footage, it's as simple as that.
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    El-P replied to Smack2k's topic in WWE

    Ah ah ! Awesome picture !
  3. El-P
    Indeed. And he's also pretty insightfull about how the nWo worked from the inside. And he's also pretty funny. His Death of WCW interview about his tenure as booker in 2000 was also quite fascinating.
  4. El-P
    I love that Flair & Luger, and Arn to a lesser extent, give their best babyface smile, while Tully just don't play well with others.
  5. El-P
    I'm not gonna argue anymore since you asked to drop the subject. In general I feel that Flair gets a pass for a lot of stuff because of who he is.
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    Flair agreed to put over Luger at the Bash as long as his contract was extended. Herd ended up getting mad at Flair during the back and forth over that and firing him. It was his decision to fire Flair without him dropping the title. Again, Flair is not blameless there, but the way you framed it isn't quite accurate either. Ok, but Fair refused to drop the title to Luger in 90 already, right ? And although Herd was an ignorant asshole, it doesn't change the fact Flair used "jobbing to Luger" as a leverage to negociate a new contract, which is not exactly what I'd call "respecting the business". And it doesn't change the fact he showed up on the competition's TV with the belt. Flair was as carny as anyone and gets a pass because he's "Ric Flair". He's not exactly Shawn Michaels of Hulk Hogan either, of course, but still.
  7. El-P
    When he refused to do jobs for Lex Luger twice when it was the right time ? When he left WCW as their champion and showed up on WWF TV with the Big Gold belt ?
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    This seems odd to say. I would disagree on everything here except the last part. Agreed. I'm a Ric Flair fan but I have no sympathy for Flair. He was painted as the babyface when Hogan and Bischoff fucked around with him, but the reality is that he himself fucked around with others before. Flair was about Flair. I have way more sympathy and understanding for a guy like Luger actually.
  9. El-P
    El Dandy was getting good reactions from WCW crowds when he was working random "lucha" matches on Thunder and JTTS matches. If pushed like say, Juventud or Ultimo, of course he would have gotten over just as well. WCW never even tried.
  10. El-P
    In 1995 in WCW he was already a fantastic worker to me. Just went through this period and his matches with Benoit were awesome. He also had a very nice match with Big Bubba. To me he was a fine babyface at this time. It's not like he was Tim Horner. Some of his heel stuff was awesome, some was a bit goofy. His most overrated stuff consists of the Dean Malenko matches, and I blame Malenko for being a jerk-off, work-in-a-vacuum worker.
  11. El-P
    Me too !! Yeah, he's got a peculiar look to him. Which helped make him unique I guess. That and the galons of blood.
  12. El-P
    The last classic Ric Flair title win, and by classic I don't mean great match but as far as booking goes. It's Flair the iron man going through WCW legends Luger & Sting in a very dirty way, then winning the title against WWF legend and classic foe Randy Savage thanks to the Horsemen, with the added bonus of the crimson mask. The crowd gives him a tremendous babyface reaction, like they had been waiting for this since Hogan came on board and ruined the company. A throwback Starrcade ending and a great moment. And yes, one of the most obvious bladejob ever by Savage. And Pillman really acted batshit insane here.
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    Agreed. Luger also makes a much better no-sell comeback, as it came after he already threw Flair off the top rope and he did register the shots as opposed to Sting who just no-sells from nowhere after some big spots a-la Hogan, which I can't stand. Disagree. Luger's role and the crap crowd played a lot in the lack of heat. Earlier on against Chono Luger was over like a rover, but here the crowd seemingly died at one point and they never got back into the groove. I think the Luger vs Sting part which was the worst of the three helped kill the crowd after an intriguing face off. The one thing I noticed with Luger is that no matter how many times they would turn him heel or face, he basically still was over with the WCW crowd, as showed by the insane reaction he got when he turned nWo Wolfpäck after months of doing nothing. Basically I really enjoyed this as a big Ric Flair showcase even though it was 1995 Flair and not 1989 Flair anymore.
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    He was a Horsemen and had no visible tie with New Japan, really. This show really looked apart in the Hogan era, but also predated the upcoming international cruiserweights-heavy era with matches like Benoit vs Liger, Kanemoto vs Wright & Eddie vs Ohtani. And at the same time, the whole World Cup thematic reminded older Starrcades, much like the Luger vs Flair vs Sting dynamic. Interesting show.
  15. El-P
    Great line. Really good match with a hot finish which used the craddle reversals galore in a good exciting way as opposed to the Dean Malenko exhibition way which would become the standart of jerk-offy "technical" matches. Ohtani was so much fun. It's kinda odd that Nakanishi wasn't used on the PPV as he was the only regular NJ guy in WCW at that point.
  16. El-P
    Good solid match. These two really had a nice chemistry. Flair going for the arm at first was a nice touch, but sadly he reverted back to the figure-four later on. Savage's selling is always a pleasure, he looks in so much pain. Every time he attemps a pinfall looks so urgent too, which is somewhat of a lost art. Yeah, they did a really strong job building to the Starrcade main event between those four, which was needed since the entire PPV was basically WCW vs NJ which had no build on TV basically except a few terrible Sonny Oono's vignettes. And it's so refreshing not to have Hogan around to fuck things up.
  17. El-P
    Agreed. And really, what the fuck happened here ?
  18. El-P
    I cringed at that. I thought Bryan was married, he should know something about women. Although if she does carry around a whole case of sex-toys, then maybe we can assume John Cena may not be very well adjusted or quite the sloppy worker in bed too.
  19. El-P
    Excellent promo again. From the reformation of the Horsemen to the feud with Savage, this was basically the first and the last true classic Flair stint since Hogan came on board. He was not the same when he came back in 1997 and only went down from there.
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    Oh, I'm sorry, I only paid attention to the reply and not the original post. I was refering to the fact they are gonna release Timeline WCW 1989 at some point too. Breaking Kayfabe, yeah, I wonder what they'll talk about that hasn't been said already.
  21. El-P
    This is the mother of all german suplexes.
  22. El-P
    If it's as detailled as his WWF 97 Timeline was, this should be quite awesome. If he's just ranting, not as much. But usually when he gets to talk about wrestling history he's that much more fun, and he kept records of everything he did so it's usually more factual than with most other guests.
  23. El-P
    I guess Hulk Hogan not being involved in this whole Starrcade match, which was old-school WCW all the way with Sting & Luger, got Flair back to a more comfortable place.
  24. El-P
    Sullivan's booking was quite intricate, and Heenan made a good job of summerizing it at the beginning of the match. The pro-Horsemen crowd turned this good little match into an awesome segment. I wonder if Hulk didn't ran to the ring during Sting's entrance so he would get less boos. The crowd litteraly shitting on Hogan as he bitches about the tag the referee missed is pure gold. Hogan's overacting in the post-match is pretty funny, you kinda feel he was trying way too hard to get a real babyafce reaction by catering to Sting. Yeah, some excellent stuff here.
  25. El-P
    Pillman's promos really haven't aged well with me. Too long, rambling, making no point and too obviously forced as "insane" at times. This one wasn't very good I thought. The Orndorff angle is good, but I always wondered why he was chosen to be the sacrificial lamb.
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