smkelly Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 So I've mentioned that I'm a fan of SAW (Showtime All-star Wrestling) which is a Tennessee indy run by Reno Riggins. Their champion was Phil Shatter (Gunner in TNA), and since they have a deal where SAW can use guys who sign with TNA but not on TV, they did an angle where Shatter dropped the belt and they ran a tournament. During the tournament they mentioned several times that Tommy Mercer (Crimson) was involved but they can't show his match because his contract with TNA prevents it. So on the show that aired August 8th they ran the finals, and your winner and new centerpiece of the promotion and TV show? Kid Kash. Guess who then made his return to the Impact Zone the next week?lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I don't think Jay meant that comment seriously, he's never been against skanks and hoes and sluts. But he has always been against homos. http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?show...p;#entry5475215 Also note that the previously mentioned tweet has the tag #GodDontFuckAround. There are no words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 The Briscoes has always had a hate-hate relationship with New York and their fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 So Harley Race, on one of his shoots, talked about how in Kansas City(I think), in the 60s, they used to wrestle in front of posh attendees who were eating expensive dinners. I find that whole thing concept sort of fascinating. Is there any place I can learn more about all that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 So Harley Race, on one of his shoots, talked about how in Kansas City(I think), in the 60s, they used to wrestle in front of posh attendees who were eating expensive dinners. I find that whole thing concept sort of fascinating. Is there any place I can learn more about all that? I had heard about that but I thought it was a St. Louis thing. I *might* have read about it in Larry Matysik's book but I'm just guessing off the top of my head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 So Harley Race, on one of his shoots, talked about how in Kansas City(I think), in the 60s, they used to wrestle in front of posh attendees who were eating expensive dinners. I find that whole thing concept sort of fascinating. Is there any place I can learn more about all that? The Chase There are plenty of "Wrestling at the Chase" DVDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 then went to NOAH, got pressured by Misawa to open his own school, then that drained him physically and emotionally (running a school while going on every NOAH tour). Never heard that part before about NOAH/Misawa wanting him to open his own school. Story i've always heard from them was that they were just tired of dealing with Roland in APW so that's why they split off and moved down the road (literally as their new school was only a few mins away from the APW garage). Always found it weird that for as close a ties as they had, pretty much no one from their school ever actually ended up getting a shot in NOAH. Bison yeah but he got trained by them when they were still in APW. I thought a lot of guys who came along after they started Iron like Hook Bombery, Apollo Khan & The Thomaselli's would have fit in well with NOAH's jr division but it never came to be. But yeah, Modest got burnt out for a while near the end as he bailed out a fair amount of time before Iron shut down and wasn't even thear for their last show. Course, like everyone he did eventually come back. Last I heard he is/was runnig a new school out in Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Well this list ends poorly http://www.totalprosports.com/2011/08/29/9...-pro-wrestlers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Well this list ends poorly http://www.totalprosports.com/2011/08/29/9...-pro-wrestlers/ Link doesn't work...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Well this list ends poorly http://www.totalprosports.com/2011/08/29/9...-pro-wrestlers/ Link doesn't work...? It was working when I linked to it. It seems the entire site is down now. The list had cred picks like June Byers and Mildred Burke. Along with Richter, Kong, Trish, Melina (?). But number one was Moolah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 So Harley Race, on one of his shoots, talked about how in Kansas City(I think), in the 60s, they used to wrestle in front of posh attendees who were eating expensive dinners. I find that whole thing concept sort of fascinating. Is there any place I can learn more about all that? St. Louis did that with Wrestling at the Chase. They did a lot of shows at the Chase Park Plaze Hotel, hence the name. There is a book titled Wrestling At the Chase which is an excellent read but it only discusses this aspect briefly from what I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 So I've mentioned that I'm a fan of SAW (Showtime All-star Wrestling) which is a Tennessee indy run by Reno Riggins. Their champion was Phil Shatter (Gunner in TNA), and since they have a deal where SAW can use guys who sign with TNA but not on TV, they did an angle where Shatter dropped the belt and they ran a tournament. During the tournament they mentioned several times that Tommy Mercer (Crimson) was involved but they can't show his match because his contract with TNA prevents it. So on the show that aired August 8th they ran the finals, and your winner and new centerpiece of the promotion and TV show? Kid Kash. Guess who then made his return to the Impact Zone the next week?lol That's long been a problem with any Nashville indy which gets on television. There's still a shit-ton of guys who work/worked for TNA who live in the area, and many of them are willing to accept cheap local bookings on the weekend just for an easy paycheck (albeit a small one) which is within quick driving distance from their house. You can see why a promoter would wanna book a Jerry Lynn or someone like that, since they're a known name and they'll generally put on a more competent match than a lot of the hometown wannabes. But TNA has long enjoyed pulling their petty little power plays and fucking with indy show bookings, for no apparent good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilclown Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 My Stan Hansen book review for the WON. Has anyone else read this book? Thoughts? By January, 28, 2001, All Japan Pro Wrestling had fallen on hard times. The core group of talent which had dominated the industry in Japan for a decade, selling out Budokan Hall routinely for years, had moved on to form Pro Wrestling NOAH. All Japan, in truth, had no business running a show in the Tokyo Dome. But they did, largely to honor one man - the most legendary gaijin in Japanese wrestling history, the incomparable Stan Hansen. Thirty thousand fans chanted his name as Hansen made his way to the ring. In 1982, he would have been mortified. He was a heel and one of the best; it was a different time, and a crowd cheering him on would have meant an epic failure on his part. A generation of fans, however, had grown up watching Hansen, grown to respect, admire, and appreciate him. It was a fitting tribute. Hansen, one of the very best wrestlers in the world for not just one, but two decades, has written the most interesting book ever printed about the industry in Japan. The Last Outlaw isn't your standard wrestling memoir. You know the kind I mean - a few road stories which may or may not have happened, a few shots at political enemies, and a passel of inaccurate information. This is more akin to Bret Hart's excellent book Hitman: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling. Like Hart, Hansen goes into great detail about his life on the road. It's interesting when he's discussing Amarillo or Mid South, but business, as they say, really picks up when Hansen arrives in Japan in the 1970's. I've always been curious about what life is like for an American wrestler in Japan. What are interactions with the native talent like? How do the fans respond outside of the ring? What is it like to travel to obscure parts of the country, places not often seen by foreigners at all? Hansen tackles all of these issues and plenty more. And he does it from a unique perspective. He worked for both Inoki's New Japan and for Baba's All Japan as a top foreign talent. Very few men can make the same claim. It's compelling stuff. Stan covers the differences between the two groups behind the scenes and shares his memories of all the great wrestlers to come through Japan in the 1980's and 1990's. The book is not without it's flaws. Written with wrestling historian Scott Teal, it's strong with dates and the facts. But at times the narrative loses its flow as Hansen jumps time periods. There are also a handful of stories repeated almost word for word in various parts of the book. It doesn't detract much from the experience. It's similar to talking with your grandfather about World War II - sure he may tell the same stories over and over again, but there's some comfort in the familiarity. In the end, Hansen delivers one of the best wrestling books to date. He talks openly about his successes and his failures. He doesn't give himself or his friends a pass for irresponsible behavior. Like most in the industry, Hansen has experienced loss, and you can sense how hard it was for him to write about fallen friends like the great Bruiser Brody. But Hansen is unflinching. He tells his story and it's a great one. Well worth seeking out this hidden gem of a book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I really don't know much about St. Louis. I should just read that book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Yohe has a copy for me, and we just haven't hooked up to pass it along. Sounds interesting. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I was thinking recently about when someone stops selling a leg or whatever and the announcers say something like "How's he even able to stand?" Is it good that they're trying to account for what's happening in the ring or bad that they're drawing attention to a hole in the story? Jingus, you've done some announcing, right? How did you deal with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I would assume that they're trying to put over the wrestler being so damn tough that he's on his feet after taking such a bit beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 This is something I was thinking about on another mental tangent started by my post in the "Most Historic Night" thread about WrestleMania III and the changing of the guard in the WWF babyfaces (and heels, for that matter), but would have taken that thread too far off topic. Please bear with me while I indulge in some rewriting history fantasy booking : So it's Wrestlemania 2 in the main event : Hulk Hogan vs King Kong Bundy in the steel cage. Only now something goes horribly wrong. When giving hogan an Avalanche or a big splash, Bundy lands wrong and legitimately cracks several of Hogan's ribs. They finish the match, but Hogan knows something is not right. Over the next few weeks, his ribs just get worse. Perhaps at this time Hogan, contemplating his career, gets interested in making movies. Maybe they make No Holds Barred 2 years early, perhaps he is the one who gets the offers for Hell Comes To Frogtown and They Live instead of Piper, who knows? Bottom line is that Hogan is gone some time after WM2, not for good but definitely for a while. So they switch the title from Hogan to , say, Piper ... Bundy and Heenan ambush Hogan before the match and interfere throughout to cheat the Hulkster out of the title. So now Piper is the transitional heel champ. So who is the babyface who rises up to challenge and become the new flagship WWF champion? Ricky Steamboat is a strong possibility. A very sexy choice for top face, cool gimmick, good looking, great wrestler, I know a lot of my friends at the time were Ricky Steamboat fans. But Steamboat had just spent the past year getting the crap kicked out of him by Don Muraco and had a thoroughly meaningless match with Hercules at WM2. Steamboat didn't have a lot of momentum at this point (the later Jake Roberts feud would kickstart that back into high gear towards the run with Savage). Another likely choice would be Paul Orndorff. Hogan's best friend going out for revenge and taking the belt is a great story. But again, his momentum had somewhat cooled at this point after the first burst of his face turn, and his match with Muraco at WM2 was pretty miserable. It would be the later Hogan feud that would relight the fire under him. Andre the Giant? Andre was heading towards back surgery, and anyway I just don't see Andre having the disposition to be a working travelling babyface world champ. JYD? I recall he was well liked by the fans, but not really taken seriously. Ditto Hillbilly Jim, who never really got his mojo back after breaking his leg. Tito Santana? The blue collar, working man, People's Champ, but I don't think people would have bought him with the big belt. Point being, if something had happened to Hogan at this point in history, an accident or severe injury or whatever, they didn't really have anybody in the position of near the top babyface to pick up the torch in his absence. Second level guys, friends of Hogan, but nobody who they could see the fans getting behind as top guy. They were lucky that when Hogan did take time off in 1988, Savage was in position to take the reins (even though the initial plans were supposedly for Dibiase to win the belt at WM IV, the change from Dibiase to Savage was sparked by Honky Tonk Man being upset at the plans for Savage to get a huge push after taking the IC title while he was left by the wayside), although this was probably not so much luck as planning. One option they might have tried could be keeping the belt on Piper for a while, either have him being chased by the other babyfaces in succession, using his status as a firebrand heel to feed the storyline of who will shut this loudmouth up while the WWF decides who they ultimately want to elevate; or turn him babyface and feud with the Heenan family, who will gloat how they were the ones who really took out Hogan and now they want the belt for themselves. Anyhow, thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 A site and hosts probably familiar to the majority of posters on here but I still thought I would spread the word: http://www.luchaworld.com/?p=10090 Kurt Brown and Alfredo's LUCHA podcast: The debut of the LuchaWorld Podcast! We discuss Sin Cara, Sting heading to AAA which leads to some talk of Ric Flair (not the financial stuff!), Matt Hardy’s fake youtube suicide note, CMLL the numerous feuds matched by number of TV shows you have to search through to watch these matches, dancing with Zacarias El Perico, AAA’s TV situation (or lack of in the US), the passing of SoCal luchador Mando Lopez (a.k.a. Superstar), thoughts on some of the Mexico Candidates on the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame ballot, plus, even more discussion on dancing with Villano III and Jushin “Thunder†Liger and faking Cancer vs. faking Suicide, which is worse! Packed show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 The story of the closure of the czwfans board is my current greatest thing in wrestling. The cliff notes version is posters/admin/moderators collectively trolled another message board called forum.markedout.com a "Celebrity, Wrestling and Sports Encounter Forum" where frankly strange/mentally challenged looking people some of whom with sweat marks & food stains on their shirts posted pictures of themselves meeting wrestlers. The people CZWfans would do things like invade the marked out board, steal pictures & post them on CZWfans even as going as far drawing characitures of some of the more pass remarkable members there. Well the reason why CZWfans was taken down Sunday/Monday was given on this back up board. jon kendall of gen3marketing and gsi commerce got in big big trouble @ work adam circumstance aka adam gismondi is being investigated by his jobs legal dept joshua rumbin edomac andrew realgummy are next markedout won the czwfans invasion http://czwfans.proboards.com/index.cgi?act...&page=2#113 Possibly the greatest payoff in the history of the IWC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 So is what happened is that they were trolling but since they did it at work and the MarkedOut people traced the IPs they were screwed? Or am I getting it wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 So is what happened is that they were trolling but since they did it at work and the MarkedOut people traced the IPs they were screwed? Or am I getting it wrong? That's my assumption. Adam Circumstance apparently did the "big I am" constantly bringing up his low level job in WWE which made him easier to trace. CZWfans was such a cesspool one of the regular posts probably handed over the information to markedout for a giggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Adam and a few of the Mods there worked for WWE. I think one was in the tape library and some others in the production. They did a "board feud" thing at the Marked Out forum and it got real ugly. Couple months later this happened. Probably also had to do with a lot of illegal stuff going down like Music links and other copyrighted things. Sucks cause it was a fun board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Circumstance should've known better after Mickie James got him in trouble over her more infamous photos being linked there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Kersey Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Well... Thanks for ruining CZWfans Naylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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