Ricky Jackson Posted April 14, 2019 Report Share Posted April 14, 2019 We reviewed an Amarillo TV show from 1979 on Titans years ago. I believe it aired in the Bay Area during the period after the Funks sold to Murdoch and Mulligan and they attempted to muscle in on a weakened Shire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 Does this card exist on film? Please tell me it does Terry Funk Presents Summer Sizzler June 17th, 1982. Amarillo, Texas NWA World Tag Team Title Match Ole Anderson & Stan Hansen (c) vs. Dory Funk Jr. & Dusty Rhodes Southwest Heavyweight Title Match Dick Slater (c) vs. Roddy Piper Singles Match Abdullah The Butcher vs. Terry Funk NWA International Heavyweight Title Match Bruiser Brody (c) vs. Giant Baba NWA World Heavyweight Title Match Ric Flair (c) vs. Ted DiBiase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul sosnowski Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 3, 2019 Report Share Posted May 3, 2019 I've seen Bret-Magee. I can't say how or send it to you, but it will be on WWE Network in 2-3 weeks. Here's my review, cobbled together from my tweet thread last night. --- So…I’ve seen The Match. It’s the most fully-formed Bret Hart performance I’ve ever seen from before his WWF singles runs. It’s not a great match, but it’s not supposed to be. And aside from a couple timing issues, it definitely has less seams than any non-DiBiase Magee match. And there could very well be some minor issues that aren’t noticeable in the DiBiase match because we just have the hard cam, while Bret-Magee is a fully produced multi-camera shoot with commentary.) The first big thing I noticed is that DiBiase and Bret immediately figured out that you don’t let Magee punch, kick, try to work holds. or sell demonstratively. Get those things out of the way, and you can build an entertaining match out of the cool shit that he CAN do. And Magee deserves some credit, too: Bret’s account has always been that he asked him for his 5 best moves to build around. Magee was self-aware enough to know that those best moves were all flippy stuff, roll-ups, and arm drags. DiBiase figured out one trick that Bret didn’t, though: Chop him instead of punching him. It’s brilliant: Instead of making a green guy sell in an obviously green and overly “fake”-looking way, DiBiase threw strikes that, while safe, actually hurt, so Magee reacts naturally. Bret handled Magee’s less than refined selling in a completely different way: Here, it looks like he told Magee to…I wouldn’t say die on him while selling, but get much closer to that than you’d normally want a babyface to during the heat. So we don’t get any Magee flailing. To “get" this match, you'll need to watch all the Magee footage you can find first. You have to understand what Magee matches usually looked like & how others tried to carry him. And you’ll want to keep in mind how a more typical Flair, Michaels, etc broomstick match looks. This is not Bret Hart having a match around a green guy and making it about himself. This is Bret Hart leading a green guy by the hand, constantly telling him every single thing to do, and having a match WITH him that got him over big with both the crowd and the office. I can’t wait for everyone to see this when it hits WWE Network in the next 2-3 weeks. As long as you know what you’re looking for, it’s truly a pleasure to watch and absolutely lives up to the hype of what Bret was able to do. Oh, one more thing: It’s also a testament to Bret that he gets the crowd to react big to everything Magee does in a 1986 WWF TV taping prelim between an unknown and a mid-card tag team wrestler. They don’t react like a pavlovian, wait for the music WWF TV crowd of that era at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Bix said: It’s the most fully-formed Bret Hart performance I’ve ever seen from before his WWF singles runs. It’s not a great match, but it’s not supposed to be. And aside from a couple timing issues, it definitely has less seams than any non-DiBiase Magee match. And there could very well be some minor issues that aren’t noticeable in the DiBiase match because we just have the hard cam, while Bret-Magee is a fully produced multi-camera shoot with commentary.) What would the other choices even be? The Savage SNME match and the DK singles match from the Capitol Center? Also, were there hope spots during the heat? The absolute lack of them was the most striking thing from the Dibiase match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Matt D said: What would the other choices even be? The Savage SNME match and the DK singles match from the Capitol Center? Didn't he also have a really good house show match against Steamboat that made tape, back when he was still in The Hart Foundation? I think it was from Boston Garden, but I don't remember the date. Maybe I am remembering it wrong. EDIT: Yeah, I found it online. Steamboat vs. Hart from the Boston Garden on March 8, 1986. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 33 minutes ago, Matt D said: What would the other choices even be? The Savage SNME match and the DK singles match from the Capitol Center? Also, were there hope spots during the heat? The absolute lack of them was the most striking thing from the Dibiase match. There are some roll-ups as hope spots, yes. And as for the "fully-formed Bret Hart performances before his singles runs" thing goes....yeah, I guess the ones that have been mentioned? I'd have to rewatch them, though, because I don't think of the Bret performances in those being Bret The Genius as much as Bret The Great Mechanic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Bix said: There are some roll-ups as hope spots, yes. And as for the "fully-formed Bret Hart performances before his singles runs" thing goes....yeah, I guess the ones that have been mentioned? I'd have to rewatch them, though, because I don't think of the Bret performances in those being Bret The Genius as much as Bret The Great Mechanic. Bret the Mechanic is an excellent description of Bret in the steamboat match from Boston (one of my top favourite matches of all time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted May 10, 2019 Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 Coming Monday to the Network: https://www.wwe.com/article/wwe-most-infamous-lost-match-has-been-found-bret-hart-tom-magee-wwe-network Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 10, 2019 Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 And we don't even lose next week's gems for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted May 10, 2019 Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 Sigh. Looks like I'll have to re-up my Network subscription. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBscout Posted May 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 Just took Hart-Magee OFF the list on the front page. Crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajtroma Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 I'm going to throw in a few: Jerry Lawler & Bruiser Brody vs Randy Savage & David Schultz 5/06/85 The Monsel Powder angle Since Dark Matches/tryouts are coming out, there was a tryout once for a guy named "Herman the German". I've been dying to know who that is for 27 years now (even though I *think* I might know) Call me glutton for punishment, but I've always wanted to see IWF Muscle Rock Madness beyond that one oddball 30 minute commercial tape that came from nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
returner82 Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 Pretty sure Herman the German is Ulf Herman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajtroma Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 Actually, that's much better than who I was thinking it would be. I was thinking Helmut Hessler from SAPW from that era. Yours makes much more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 So, the Omni footage. We know they have: 10/23/83 being The Last Battle of Atlanta. We know they have at LEAST the first match of the Thanksgiving tag tournament on 11/24/83. Clips from the rest of the tournament was shown on TV. The main event of this show, by the way was Roadies vs Sawyer and Rich, with Sawyer having just turned on Ellering to protect his brother and basically challenging the Road Warriors over him. The idea of Rich and Sawyer teaming up as babyfaces is amazing. Hopefully we get it this year, maybe around Thanksgiving. We now know that they have 12/4/83. To me, this is a pattern. You can pick any match you want from any Omni show over, but it's a bit more reasonable to look at stuff in the range of what we know they have. Let's take a look at the shows around that. GCW @ Atlanta, GA - Omni - August 28, 1983 Mr. Wrestling I pinned Joe Lightfoot with a bridge following a running knee lift Brett Wayne pinned Bob Roop with an inside cradle Bruno Sammartino Jr. defeated Paul Ellering via count-out when Ellering left the ring after sustaining a press slam NWA Tag Team Champions Jack & Jerry Brisco defeated National Tag Team Champions the Road Warriors via count-out in a No DQ match after the Briscos used steel chairs on the Road Warriors and prevented them from getting back in the ring Tommy Rich pinned Bill Irwin in a whipping match with an inside cradle; after the bout, Rich began lashing Irwin until Mid-Atlantic TV Champion the Great Kabuki, along with Gary Hart, attacked him; moments later, Ole Anderson and Pez Whatley made the save Pez Whatley pinned Mid-Atlantic TV Champion the Great Kabuki (w/ Gary Hart) with a flying headbutt after Ole Anderson came ringside and tripped Kabuki; after the match, Whatley and Anderson celebrated in the crowd as Hart cut a promo in the ring Buzz Sawyer (w/ Paul Ellering) defeated Dick Slater via disqualification when referee Nick Patrick caught Slater wearing brass knuckles as he had Sawyer covered following a punch; the weapon was originally used by Sawyer after the referee had been knocked down by Ellering; after the bout, Sawyer & Ellering attacked Slater and dropped him with a spike piledriver National Heavyweight Champion Larry Zbyszko pinned Mr. Wrestling II with a sunset flip and using the ropes for leverage; the challenger came to the ring in possession of the title belt and stole it back after the decision before chasing Zbyszko out of the ring GCW @ Atlanta, GA - Omni - November 6, 1983 (4,000) Pat Rose vs. Les Thornton Brad Armstrong vs. Joe Lightfoot Jake Roberts (w/ Paul Ellering) defeated National TV Champion Ron Garvin to win the title Jimmy Valiant defeated the Great Kabuki Buzz Sawyer fought Abdullah the Butcher to a no contest National Tag Team Champions the Road Warriors (w/ Paul Ellering) fought Dusty Rhodes & Brett Sawyer to a no contest Tommy Rich defeated Ted Dibiase (sub. for NWA World Champion Harley Race) via disqualification GCW @ Atlanta, GA - Omni - December 25, 1983 (2,500) Cowboy Lang defeated Little Tokyo Buzz Sawyer defeated the Sheik NWA Jr. Heavyweight Champion Les Thornton defeated Tommy Rogers Brett Sawyer defeated National TV Champion Jake Roberts (w/ Paul Ellering); Roberts retained the title since the decision happened after the first 15 minutes of the match National Heavyweight Champion Ted Dibiase defeated Tommy Rich in a loser leaves town match Stan Hansen & Bugsy McGraw defeated the Road Warriors (w/ Paul Ellering) via disqualification Buzz Sawyer defeated Paul Ellering in a lights out match GCW @ Atlanta, GA - Omni - January 1, 1984 Johnny Rich vs. Pat Rose Tommy Rogers vs. Brad Armstrong Ron Garvin vs. Pez Whatley National TV Champion Jake Roberts (w/ Paul Ellering) vs. Jerry Lawler Jerry Brisco, National Tag Team Champion Brett Sawyer, & Bugsy McGraw vs. Karl Krupp & the Road Warriors (w/ Paul Ellering) National Heavyweight Champion Ted Dibiase vs. Bob Armstrong Jos LeDuc vs. National Tag Team Champion Buzz Sawyer GCW @ Atlanta, GA - Omni - January 15, 1984 (4,500) Tommy Rogers defeated NWA Jr. Heavyweight Champion Les Thornton to win the title; the title change was reversed the next day since Thornton's foot was on the rope during the cover Ron Garvin fought Pez Whatley to a draw National TV Champion Jake Roberts fought Jerry Lawler to a double count-out Jerry Brisco, National Tag Team Champion Brett Sawyer, & Bugsy McGraw defeated the Road Warriors & Karl Krupp when Krupp was pinned; after the bout, Stan Hansen attacked the Road Warriors with a 2x4 Johnny Rich pinned National Heavyweight Champion Ted Dibiase when Mr. R interfered National Tag Team Champion Buzz Sawyer fought Jos LeDuc to a double disqualification at the 4-minute mark GCW @ Atlanta, GA - Omni - February 5, 1984 Ron Garvin defeated King Kong Bundy via forfeit; stipulations stated the winner would receive a National TV title shot on Feb. 11 Mr. R defeated the Spoiler NWA TV Champion Jake Roberts defeated Jerry Brisco Pez Whatley & Sweet Brown Sugar defeated National Tag Team Champion the Road Warriors via disqualification National Heavyweight Champion Ted Dibiase defeated Jack Brisco I feel like any of that is reasonably in play. There's a lot that stands out. First and foremost would be the two Jake Roberts vs Jerry Lawler matches. I loved the Roberts vs Brett Sawyer match from 10/23/83. It was the fulfillment of the promise of master of psychology Jake. I can only imagine what he could have done with 84 Lawler. There's also another Roberts vs Bret match and Roberts vs Garvin and vs Jerry Brisco. For Dibiase, you get two Rich matches, Bob Armstrong, Johnny Rich with Mr. R antics, and Jack Brisco. Buzz Sawyer gets Slater, Shiek, Abdullah, Leduc. So there's a lot of good stuff in there. (If we go one show later, we get Brad vs Flair. Going backwards gets us more Zbyszko and Wrestling II) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruiserBrody Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 On 9/15/2016 at 12:30 AM, elliott said: John, what sort of Wahoo McDaniel in Japan is out there on tape/possibly on tape? Was also wondering about Johnny Valentine? Surely he had some runs in All Japan/New Japan/JWA before the plane crash? Which brings me full circle to the real Holy Grail: Wahoo vs Johnny Valentine - All Matches. The World league matches with Frank Hill as his partner are on DVD in comp piles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 And some more Valentine just showed up in the JWA retrospectives that aired recently. There are some '70s Wahoo matches that are known to be out there in the hands of a few collectors but not really circulating (mostly revolving around Steve Yohe's long-in-limbo Destroyer comp). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 We have the two Wahoo/Robinson tags too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted May 27, 2019 Report Share Posted May 27, 2019 Frank Hill is laughably shitty in those matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 Does any Michel Martel exist? 70s Canada and PR feel like relatively tricky places to get footage from but I'd be curious to see him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunder Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Just popped up on the Maple Leaf Wrestling Facebook group: Youtuber "Jon Boucher" just posted it yesterday. Full kinescope of an episode. Card is from Feb. 17, 1957. Features a really fun tag match with the Miller Bros, a young Red Lyons (he doesn't even have his first name yet!) in the opener, and heel Steve Stanlee in a quick TV match with Edouard Carpentier. I'm thinking this is a version of the show syndicated outside of the territory, since it's titled "World of Sport" (the weekly show on CBC Toronto was called "Saturday Night Wrestling" at the time) and is just matches. A joy to watch, maybe just because it's my home territory and I can imagine my Grandpa and my Dad tuning this in one afternoon. Another glimpse into what CBC might be sitting on. Not sure if the main events were taped or aired anywhere (according to Gary Will, this card was headlined by the first singles match between Whipper Watson and Gene Kiniski, which was the main feud in Toronto for the rest of the decade). Paging messrs. Shoe, Sorrow and Nelson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Yeah, that's super cool. Really hoping there is a potential gold mine in the CBC archives that could see the light of day in the coming years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 CBC has a YouTube channel called encore+ that is adding older tv series and specials all the time, I check it daily so maybe they'll put some pro wres up there sometime, you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrike02 Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 I hope to help with CBC research going forward, as Mr. Nelson well knows. A fun way to put research skills to use. Encore + is a worthwhile resource, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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