El-P Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 There's nothing I can answer to such a stupid statement so I will indeed hold back on commenting about it. "WWE regular watchers Only" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Big Show is a huge powerful giant with giant hands (established many times in the past as being able to VanDaminator dudes with a punch) who gets the right range and timing to blast dudes with a knockout punch to the face. Works for me, and I was surprised he didn't use it as a signature spot sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 There's nothing I can answer to such a stupid statement so I will indeed hold back on commenting about it. "WWE regular watchers Only" So stupid statement = knowing what you are talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Saying I should hold back on commenting on a WWE PPV because I'm not a regular WWE watcher is a very stupid statement. But I guess you have to bitch about me criticizing WWE even when I do point out that I freaking loved Punk vs Bryan. C'est la vie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negro Suave Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Saying I should hold back on commenting on a WWE PPV because I'm not a regular WWE watcher is a very stupid statement. But I guess you have to bitch about me criticizing WWE even when I do point out that I freaking loved Punk vs Bryan. C'est la vie... I don't understand why the punch was used in that context. It seemed a little off to me. = Good The punch was bad and you all should feel bad. = Bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Saying I should hold back on commenting on a WWE PPV because I'm not a regular WWE watcher is a very stupid statement. But I guess you have to bitch about me criticizing WWE even when I do point out that I freaking loved Punk vs Bryan. C'est la vie... No you miss the point. You commented on something not knowing the context. So no its not a stupid statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 The Funkasaurus is an intro, and nothing else. Brodus Clay is interesting. In my opinion, he is awful, but I have seen the argument that without the dancing gimmick (which I condemned from the get-go) he would have been dead in the water. The gimmick at least makes him memorable. I'm sure it could be a thread all by itself, not just about Brodus, but how a gimmick that is bad can still be better than just being another nameless face in a crowd. Not really a derivative gimmick, which I know we have a topic for (although it is that too). I think a lot of people, myself included, thought that Brodus was just going to debut and be another big hoss with a monster push. He is still a big hoss getting a monster push but instead of being a dominant heel he's a comedy babyface. It's sort of weird. Granted I think the dancing gimmick has a short shelf life and it is going to require a repackaging too but Santino has done well with what he was given. A lot better than say Eugene. On the other hand, it is a good case of showing how you can find something for people to do though. I can't remember her name, but the shorter of the two dancers is the first girl eliminated from Tough Enough. The one that said her favorite match was Melina Vs. Alicia Fox. I believe she's the only person from that entire show that made it onto TV. I know the winner, that Silent Rage jobber, was just fired recently and I think he even failed a wellness test beforehand too. But just making her a back-up dancer, she doesn't really hurt the show and I think it's a perfectly acceptable role for her. I mean, she still gets a paycheck and that money could probably be better spent somewhere else but I'm sure WWE blows a ton more money on things a lot less important than giving someone a steady job. It's a hell of a lot better than slapping her in the ring would have been. I liked Kelly Kelly once upon a time too. I thought she was fine on ECW during the Extreme Expose stuff. And I still see signs of her being acceptable when doing backstage things, like talking to The Big Show a few weeks ago acting casual. It's just trying to put her in the ring and act like she's a credible competitor that things go wrong. They keep adding things to Brodus Clay but none of them actually make him any better. Just a bigger show. Now he introduces the dancers, the disco ball goes off with the music, the dancers come out and then Brodus and they dance to the ring, get in the ring dance some more and have pyro go off. And now they're post-match dancing with kids too. They keep adding things but none of them make him a better worker or stop him from getting blown up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Saying I should hold back on commenting on a WWE PPV because I'm not a regular WWE watcher is a very stupid statement. But I guess you have to bitch about me criticizing WWE even when I do point out that I freaking loved Punk vs Bryan. C'est la vie... No you miss the point. You commented on something not knowing the context. So no its not a stupid statement. Yes it is, because after you pointed to me the fact that the fat punch is actually Big Show's signature finisher, I admited not realizing it and re-phrased my opinion from the point of view of a very casual viewer, which was that it didn't look very good anyway, signature spot or not. Really, Cena had no damage done to him at all during the match, and the fat punch was enough to kill him so John Laurinaitis could get the pin, when 15 minutes of Brock killing Cena was not enough to knock him out for the count. So signature spot or not, it just didn't work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 The Funkasaurus is an intro, and nothing else. Brodus Clay is interesting. In my opinion, he is awful, but I have seen the argument that without the dancing gimmick (which I condemned from the get-go) he would have been dead in the water. The gimmick at least makes him memorable. I'm sure it could be a thread all by itself, not just about Brodus, but how a gimmick that is bad can still be better than just being another nameless face in a crowd. Not really a derivative gimmick, which I know we have a topic for (although it is that too). Well, actually it's a pretty derivative gimmick : Flash Funk + Rikishi. Of course both were excellent workers, and Rikishi got over like crazy doing the fat guy dancing routine. But yeah, without the gimmick, Broadus is nothing, as he doesn't seem very good in the ring from the matches I have seen, yet I was interested in watching his PPV match whereas I just ff through half of the card. They keep adding things to Brodus Clay but none of them actually make him any better. Just a bigger show. Now he introduces the dancers, the disco ball goes off with the music, the dancers come out and then Brodus and they dance to the ring, get in the ring dance some more and have pyro go off. And now they're post-match dancing with kids too. They keep adding things but none of them make him a better worker or stop him from getting blown up! Agreed. And the act won't get over like Rikishi because what makes the gimmick is everything *around* Broadus Clay, and not the guy himslef. Rikishi made it work, and it could deliver in spades in the ring too. Broadus can't talk, can't work well, doesn't exactly exhudes charisma once the disco ball and the two fine pieces of ass go away so... A good exemple of a guy been given a rather bad (or at least very short on fuel) gimmick and making the aboslute most of it, and more, is Disco Inferno. Again, the guy could work, so that helps a lot, but Disco Inferno looked like a short-lived low-card gimmick, and it's pretty amazing how much the guy got out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Show's KO punch has been so well established at this point that you'd really have to super casual, coming in almost blind to not know the level of credibility they've built up for it. It was the finish to practically every JeriShow tag match they were on the winning end of (Show as illegal man nails punch, Jericho grabs the pin). Honestly, I don't think anybody has ever not been KO'd by it. In the context of that vs. Brock's match with Cena.....in WWE kayfabe if Show nailed Brock with that punch Brock would be out cold too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Saying I should hold back on commenting on a WWE PPV because I'm not a regular WWE watcher is a very stupid statement. But I guess you have to bitch about me criticizing WWE even when I do point out that I freaking loved Punk vs Bryan. C'est la vie... No you miss the point. You commented on something not knowing the context. So no its not a stupid statement. Yes it is, because after you pointed to me the fact that the fat punch is actually Big Show's signature finisher, I admited not realizing it and re-phrased my opinion from the point of view of a very casual viewer, which was that it didn't look very good anyway, signature spot or not. Really, Cena had no damage done to him at all during the match, and the fat punch was enough to kill him so John Laurinaitis could get the pin, when 15 minutes of Brock killing Cena was not enough to knock him out for the count. So signature spot or not, it just didn't work for me. No its not. You are also the only person who has ever said the punch does not look good. The punch has never failed to knock someone out. Everyone from Undertaker to Hall of Pain era Mark Henry have been knocked out by it instantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Show's KO punch has been so well established at this point that you'd really have to super casual, coming in almost blind to not know the level of credibility they've built up for it. Like in "not having watch any WWE show in context save for WM and very few occasionnal matches (Punk vs Cena) or RAW in the last 8 years ?" ? Yeah, that's me. I've watched more WWE in context since this year's WM than I have since 1999, and quite frankly I wasn't aware of the fat punch being the ultimate lethal weapon in WWE. Doesn't look great. Not a fan of the killing punch unless you're called Aja Kong and you're twisting the back of your fist blindly into someone's nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Nevermind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 El-P, you have to admit that criticizing anything without being informed isn't endearing. That doesn't mean you can't discuss and criticize anything you want. It just means to be prepared to hear about it when you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 El-P, you have to admit that criticizing anything without being informed isn't endearing. That doesn't mean you can't discuss and criticize anything you want. It just means to be prepared to hear about it when you do. Well, I did say "blame me for not being a regular watcher" then added than "as a casual viewer, this didn't look good to me, and knowing that it's a signature spot doesn't change the fact it didn't look good to me anyway". If some have trouble understanding, I can't spell it to them better than this. What's hard to understand there, really ? Jeez... Plus it's really a point of detail, it's not like I'm focusing on the punch, the entire segment was awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Honestly this won't be a popular statement, but I felt that the Brock/Cena match has gotten overrated quickly. It was a very good spectacle, but as a match? Not so much. There was a lot of stalling in a way and Cena had Brock in front of him for the most part, so he can somewhat anticipate what Brock would do. Try getting blindsided by a 500 pound giant who dabbled in boxing, and see if it does not knock you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I am going to defend Brodus Clay here. I think when he initially came out, he was doing 30 second squashes, talking during his matches, using his original runnning splash and the ramming headbutt, I thought it was pretty freaking fun. Shit, DVDVR was going batshit for it. Then he disappears for a month, they change his finish, make him work and sell in matches and they killed some interest like they do with everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Brodus was also really good as Del Rio's second and even sold/bumped fairly well at that point. This incarnation is easily the worst of the three since he's been around. On Show's punch I'm actually fairly shocked anyone thinks it looks bad. If someone says "I don't buy the punch as a finisher" well okay I won't argue even though I disagree. But the punch has consistently looked good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Brodus is a quasi-Diva at this point with his current piss break/bring the crowd down before a big match role. And the whole dancing with kids thing is pretty much a kiss of death. Has anyone other than Junkyard Dog ever gotten over with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negro Suave Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Brodus is a quasi-Diva at this point with his current piss break/bring the crowd down before a big match role. And the whole dancing with kids thing is pretty much a kiss of death. Has anyone other than Junkyard Dog ever gotten over with that? To be fair JYD didn't exactly get over with it either. Probably the reason he was never World Champ. Ok maybe just ONE of the reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Brodus is a quasi-Diva at this point with his current piss break/bring the crowd down before a big match role. And the whole dancing with kids thing is pretty much a kiss of death. Has anyone other than Junkyard Dog ever gotten over with that? Shawn Michaels in 1996. Although he was pretty hated by the males at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 On Show's punch I'm actually fairly shocked anyone thinks it looks bad. If someone says "I don't buy the punch as a finisher" well okay I won't argue even though I disagree. But the punch has consistently looked good. BTW, I never wrote that Show's fat punch looked *bad*. I only said that considering it's a signature finisher spot, it doesn't look very good, that it didn't work for me and that Show isn't exactly throwing a punch like Bobby Eaton. It looks okay I guess, which is not enough to make me believe it's a lethal finisher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 And the whole dancing with kids thing is pretty much a kiss of death. Yep. Kinda negates the dancers too. Can't have the sexyness and the "family kiddie entertainement" at the same time. Has anyone other than Junkyard Dog ever gotten over with that? Art Barr ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 On Show's punch I'm actually fairly shocked anyone thinks it looks bad. If someone says "I don't buy the punch as a finisher" well okay I won't argue even though I disagree. But the punch has consistently looked good. BTW, I never wrote that Show's fat punch looked *bad*. I only said that considering it's a signature finisher spot, it doesn't look very good, that it didn't work for me and that Show isn't exactly throwing a punch like Bobby Eaton. It looks okay I guess, which is not enough to make me believe it's a lethal finisher. I dunno, I can buy a 7 foot almost 500 pound guy can knock a dude out with a punch even if it's not the most artistically sound. Probably helps that half the time it looks like he's actually making contact, which probably sucks even if he is pulling it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 To me, none of that matters. They built it up for YEARS as death. That's what matters. I don't care if his finisher was blowing someone over really hard like the big bad wolf. If they built it up properly then it works for me. Wrestling is fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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