Sean Liska Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 RAW this week was apparently written by Vince, Heyman and Dutch Mantell. Keep doing this! Wha? Where did this news come from? That's a crazy dream team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 a poster at TSM posted that. Not sure where it was from. Hope it's true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 a poster at TSM posted that. Not sure where it was from. Hope it's true Meltzer said that report is total BS. Heyman had his standard input into the Punk and Brock stuff but Mantell had no input anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Yep. On the other hand, the new head writer who was in charge of the TV just quit WWE this week. To be honest I'm kinda baffled that Heyman is still considered some kind of genius booking in 2013, not to mention Dutch Mantell was booking that red hot TNA promotion a few years ago (granted, working with Russo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 a poster at TSM posted that. Not sure where it was from. Hope it's true Meltzer said that report is total BS. Heyman had his standard input into the Punk and Brock stuff but Mantell had no input anywhere. I was so hoping that was true. a bunch of news from Meltz on the current angles The McMahon family being on TV was a direct order from the USA Network to help the ratings Dave thinks the final angle will be Hunter taking full control from Vince (didn't this already happen two years ago?) Bryan was supposed to get a title shot at Money in the Bank but they switched it to Henry and Cena/Bryan will happen at Summerslam The HHH/Axel program has been dropped They thought about pairing RVD and Heyman but with the pop the return video received they nixed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 They can align RVD with Heyman when/if he wears out his welcome as something new for him to do, but yeah, thinking you could bring him back as a heel is pretty insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 I like what they're doing with Del Rio as a heel now. They're playing up the more vicious side of the character as opposed to the Mexican fatcat part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGreatPuma Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 I like what they're doing with Del Rio as a heel now. They're playing up the more vicious side of the character as opposed to the Mexican fatcat part of it.I watched a good part of Smackdown without commentary there last night and I thought Del Rio came off as a true heel against Ziggler at the end of it both with his actions after Jericho nailed Dolph with the Codebreaker and his facial mannerisms. No trying to be a cool heel at all. Very well done. Dragon vs Orton was a lot of fun. Both guys were working intensely and there were some really nice touches in this one. The match ending was extremely well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Yep. On the other hand, the new head writer who was in charge of the TV just quit WWE this week. To be honest I'm kinda baffled that Heyman is still considered some kind of genius booking in 2013, not to mention Dutch Mantell was booking that red hot TNA promotion a few years ago (granted, working with Russo). Really? Heyman and Dutch are idea guys. A good promoter will use them for ideas. Nobody expects wrestling geniuses to balance the books. TNA is a shithouse of wasted potential, that wasn't Dutch's fault. The times when Dutch was really allowed to book the company it slowed down and started to build to stuff. ECW was the most creative promotion ever, that they went broke and died, eh, it is what it is. If Vince is tapping Heyman and Dutch for ideas and using less of his TV writers it's for the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Just rewatched the Mark Henry turn angle It's even better on the second watch. Cena teases it so well in his speech, and Henry, man Henry, that wasn't acting per se, that was real emotion and real talk, which is why he's so great. The only thing I didn't like when I watched it again was Cole's line about "HOW COULD HENRY BETRAY AND USE HIS FAMILY LIKE THAT?!?!" man, he's Mark Henry, of course his family is down to grind. But I couldn't tell if that was Cole putting over how badass Mark Henry and his family is or just being a shithead as usual. It works either way, but sometimes it's hard to tell with Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGreatPuma Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 I say it was Cole selling Henry as a bad guy by assuming he didn't tell his family about his fake retirement and than using them and their emotions just to trick the audience and attack Cena. I can't remember but I think that is what JBL got from Michael Cole saying that too as IIRC he responded with "Maybe they were in on it too?" Wether they were in on it or not, one can still say that it was immoral to use his family in his speech like that even if they were in on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 Yeah, but Mark Henry would not work his fam like that. Wife, baby girls, he's got a house and mouths to feed. I mean, I know it was supposed to be a heel turn, but it was basically the biggest face turn. We all hate that John Cena is the babyface of the company. Like I said, it works either way, but at the crucial moment Cole was kind of shit In the end, regardless of Cole, great angle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 It was short, but they had Lawler, JBL, and Cole talk a little about Jackie Fargo tonight during a match and it was cool. Lawler mentioned that someone tweeted him that 39 years ago tonight he was wrestling Fargo in the Mid South Coll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I'm sure no one involved even realized it, but it was something seeing RAW end with Daniel Bryan doing a kendo stick assisted crossface move on Benoit murder anniversary day. He's come a long way from being fired for work-choking a ring announcer with a tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I'm sure no one involved even realized it, but it was something seeing RAW end with Daniel Bryan doing a kendo stick assisted crossface move on Benoit murder anniversary day. He's come a long way from being fired for work-choking a ring announcer with a tie.I think it was funnier that Vince said that he didn't want a short guy with mental issues in the main event on the anniversary. And the new Wyatt Family promo fucking ruled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I'm sure no one involved even realized it, but it was something seeing RAW end with Daniel Bryan doing a kendo stick assisted crossface move on Benoit murder anniversary day. He's come a long way from being fired for work-choking a ring announcer with a tie. Funny, I remember that the first time they did a Raw in Edmonton after Benoit (in 2011, granted), John Cena used the crossface in the main event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Did Benoit himself do the kendo crossface spot before? I feel like I've seen that spot before, but I can't remember what match or who did it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Did Benoit himself do the kendo crossface spot before? I feel like I've seen that spot before, but I can't remember what match or who did it Pretty sure he did it in a match with Tajiri once the first ONS event was announced in 05, and you'd see the "ECW" matches on Raw and Smackdown which were just really generic "hardcore" matches with trash can lids etc. EDIT: Yeah the above is accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 So they are doing two ladder matches, each with seven participants, one with all heels and one with all faces. How does that make sense at all? Seven is a really weird number which is always going to leave an odd man out, and couldn't they just shuffle the participants so there were at least a couple of heels and faces in each match? The dynamics are going to be strange. I'd have thrown RVD into the World Heavyweight Title MITB, give him the huge pop of winning over all the heels and it would be a title he could realistically hold for a while. Also striking was how weak the heel lineup looked, somebody has to be due a turn soon, they have a ton of strong faces and pretty much no strong heel challengers, unless they plan to elevate somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 anarchistxx it is in Philly there's plenty of crowd favourites in the heels match and Randy Orton vs Daniel Bryan wasn' hurt on Monday by being babyface vs babyface either. Surprised at the amount of people who have seen an issue with the two MITB matches this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Let's say they don't have any plans to turn anybody in either MITBs, it still makes somewhat sense to run these matchups. The fact is, a MITB contract is now a very valuable commodity. Anyone who wins it, basically has a "Get the world title free" card. Yeah I can buy babyfaces scrambling to get the contract and I can see the heels fucking each other over to get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Yeah I can buy babyfaces scrambling to get the contract and I can see the heels fucking each other over to get it... It isn't that, I was more thinking of the crowd dynamic. I suppose with it being a ladder match people are popping for the spots rather than the workers anyway. anarchistxx it is in Philly there's plenty of crowd favourites in the heels match True enough, Dean Ambrose is going to be ridiculously over in the heel match presumably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 There also may be a late entrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Meltzer said Shawn was talking about Daniel Bryan if it was already obvious: Shawn Michaels recently sat down for an interview with the Ministry of Slam wrestling radio show. Michaels reflected on a recent meeting with Vince McMahon. Below is a transcript: A multi-time World Champion over his lengthy in-ring career, “The Heartbreak Kid” Shawn Michaels has done it all in the professional wrestling industry. Since retiring in 2010, HBK has concentrated on his outdoor activity show, MacMillan River Adventures, as well as spending increased periods of time with his family. During a recent interview with the Ministry Of Slam wrestling radio show, Michaels noted a recent exchange between WWE head honcho, Vince McMahon and himself. Going further, “The Showstopper” talks his awareness of not having the typical frame of what is considered a main event talent in WWE. “I had a conversation a couple of weeks ago with the man in charge”, Michaels stated, “and we were talking about a certain individual and he goes, ‘I just don’t see money in him.’ And I said, ‘You said the same thing about me.’ He said, ‘I did not.’ I said, ‘Yes you did!’ (laughs) I said, ‘And it’s okay. It’s just one of those things.’” “I wasn’t your prototypical – heck, I wasn’t anybody’s prototypical main event guy, and I knew that. So, you just do your absolute best. Yes, I was very scared and very worried, which had a lot to do with how bad I handled stuff. I spent a great deal of my career waiting for the other shoe to drop, because it was a very real view of me and my ability and talent. I’m a firm believer that talent does rise to the top, but you have to be patient. So, I spent a great deal of time worried, intimidated, and concerned that with each passing storyline, it might be the last one.” To hear the full interview, please visit http://www.MinistryOfSlam.com for more information, or head over to iTunes and Podbean. MOS Radio airs live every Monday at 9pm GMT/4pm EST from the website, as well as various talk radio stations across the US. The brand have just launched a new ‘Elite’ premium subscription service, offering further content at a low price. Follow on Twitter @MOSRadio! Or on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/mosradio His main event of Raw didn't do that well a quarter hour: The story of the show isn’t one that a lot of people will want to hear. It was a risk building the show around Daniel Bryan as the main character no matter how loud those in the building cheer for him. And his street fight with Randy Orton did a terrible overrun number, coming off it being the main event on the least watched non-holiday Smackdown show since it started airing on Syfy. For people who complain about John Cena, as a general rule, his segments deliver, particularly in the main event slot. In the segment-by-segment, the opening segment with Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton on the mic and having their short first match did a 2.82 open which is very weak. Sheamus & Christian vs. Cody Rhodes & Damian Sandow and Kaitlyn vs. Aksana lost 124,000 viewers. The A.J. Lee promo making fun of Kaitlyn and a replay of the Mark Henry/Cena angle plus a Wyatt Family vignette lost 198,000 viewers to a show-low 2.59 quarter. Chris Jericho vs. Alberto del Rio gained 333,000 viewers. The post-match Jericho/Dolph Ziggler/Del Rio stuff and the reveal of the WWE video game cover at 9 p.m. gained 361,000 viewers to a 3.10. Ryback vs. Great Khali lost 217,000 viewers. The John Cena interview gained 235,000 viewers. Brodus Clay & Sweet T vs. Usos vs. Drew McIntyre & Jinder Mahal and Paul Heyman’s beginning of his interview gained 19,000 viewers. The Heyman/C.M. Punk segment gained 117,000 viewers at 10 p.m. to a show high 3.21 quarter. Punk vs. Darren Young and the post-match lost 598,000 viewers. Stephanie McMahon announcing the Money in the Bank participants, and backstage with Chris Jericho, Ryback and Vickie Guerrero and Punk and Heyman gained 136,000 viewers. The Orton vs. Bryan street fight gained 104,000 viewers, one of the lowest main event gains of the year, finishing at a 2.92 overrun. Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter I guess size matters as much as we don't like to hear that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 To be fair to Bryan - and I often take a more moderate line on him because I tire of the default "best in the world" tag affixed to him even when I acknowledge that this year he's as good an over all act as there is - if you want to book a big main event for ratings effect Randy Orton is not the guy you want in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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