anarchistxx Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 So about that Shield depush They won two handicap matches, and had a hard time controlling Daniel Bryan between the three of them. I wouldn't make any assumptions yet, they've still gone from destroying The Rock and The Undertaker to not even making the card on the second biggest show of the year, and wandering aimlessly between feuds. I harp on about this, but WWE needs to start giving guys proper personalities and motivations. This just randomly beating people up and setting up a match never goes anywhere, and it always leads to pushes and characters petering out after the the first few months. Have people feud over something, have a proper storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGreatPuma Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 I enjoyed some of WWE Raw last night and I thought the Daniel Bryan vs Business angle went of well but I really hated how everybody just stood back and let Bryan get hurt like that. Someone should've said "Screw it" and helped him out. It made the roster look too scared and not caring enough about a fellow peer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 I enjoyed some of WWE Raw last night and I thought the Daniel Bryan vs Business angle went of well but I really hated how everybody just stood back and let Bryan get hurt like that. Someone should've said "Screw it" and helped him out. It made the roster look too scared and not caring enough about a fellow peer. That made all the babyfaces up there look like the biggest pussies. Oh, I might get in trouble if I interfere. I'm not advocating that every guy needs to be Stone Cold or anything. They just need someone to show some balls. At least have someone try but get cut off by the heel they're feuding with. Something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 So about that Shield depush They won two handicap matches, and had a hard time controlling Daniel Bryan between the three of them. I wouldn't make any assumptions yet, they've still gone from destroying The Rock and The Undertaker to not even making the card on the second biggest show of the year, and wandering aimlessly between feuds. I harp on about this, but WWE needs to start giving guys proper personalities and motivations. This just randomly beating people up and setting up a match never goes anywhere, and it always leads to pushes and characters petering out after the the first few months. Have people feud over something, have a proper storyline. With the Shield, I think they sort of messed it up last night, in as, if they were going to be the corporate lackies anyway, they should have went all out and put them in suits and let them be in the ring. Presumably their entire gimmick is about how the WWE constantly marginalized talent such as them (and Punk) in favor of people like Ryback. That seemed to me to be the whole justice thing when they debuted. I might be harping on this too much but I kind of love the idea that it's true just to the point where they're allowed to move from have nots to have. They sell out (and not to Heyman who is the crazy cult leader for the marginalized but to Vince/HHH) when Bryan does not. I think there's something compelling there, if they just spelled it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 The Shield deal was more about taking top spots rather than "earning" them. Now that they have those spots and belts, (and Vince's approval), they're satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 A huge stable of HHH/Orton/Vince/Stephanie with The Shield as muscle could be very entertaining, and is guaranteed to have massive heat. Throw Ryback in there as the bully who hides behind The Shield when the going gets tough and you have some great television, providing it doesn't consist of a twenty minute HHH promo every week. HHH/Orton/Ambrose/Rollins/Reigns vs Daniel Bryan/CM Punk/Dolph Ziggler/Mark Henry/Big Show would be an amazing Survivor Series match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 The Shield don't need suits, they are Blackwater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Seth Rollins needs a haircut then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 You know, I try to stay positive about stuff since I think sometimes there's a lot of negative-for-negative's-sake people out there, but even I don't see how this Los Matadores gimmick is going to be anything other than Conquistadores 2013. It's a terrible gimmick but even more so a Wrestlecrap idea if they think they can attract Mexicans by using Puerto Ricans doing a Spanish gimmick (though to be fair bullfighting is pretty big in Mexico too). The McMahons and their writers still think that there's a magical group of millions of people called "Latinos" that will support anybody that speaks Spanish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 White people haven't even really worked out that white people aren't a single culture. Never mind taking the big step into people of different colours working that out about each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 I wish I had Johnny Sorrow's optimism towards modern day wrestling. That or his weed connection. I could do a White Russian right now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 I enjoyed some of WWE Raw last night and I thought the Daniel Bryan vs Business angle went of well but I really hated how everybody just stood back and let Bryan get hurt like that. Someone should've said "Screw it" and helped him out. It made the roster look too scared and not caring enough about a fellow peer. That made all the babyfaces up there look like the biggest pussies. Oh, I might get in trouble if I interfere. I'm not advocating that every guy needs to be Stone Cold or anything. They just need someone to show some balls. At least have someone try but get cut off by the heel they're feuding with. Something. To be fair - if someone ran in to help, then the heat shifts to that person. This segment was all about Daniel Bryan. Having someone do that would have marginalized it. I do agree, since that is the case, they should have just kept the guys in the back then. It was a pretty cool visual with everyone looking on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 You know, I try to stay positive about stuff since I think sometimes there's a lot of negative-for-negative's-sake people out there, but even I don't see how this Los Matadores gimmick is going to be anything other than Conquistadores 2013. It's a terrible gimmick but even more so a Wrestlecrap idea if they think they can attract Mexicans by using Puerto Ricans doing a Spanish gimmick (though to be fair bullfighting is pretty big in Mexico too). The McMahons and their writers still think that there's a magical group of millions of people called "Latinos" that will support anybody that speaks Spanish. And on top of that they've been given pink recreations of the Aldo Montoya jockstrap mask. On the bright side: Mascarita Dorada is going to be their manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 You know, I try to stay positive about stuff since I think sometimes there's a lot of negative-for-negative's-sake people out there, but even I don't see how this Los Matadores gimmick is going to be anything other than Conquistadores 2013. It's a terrible gimmick but even more so a Wrestlecrap idea if they think they can attract Mexicans by using Puerto Ricans doing a Spanish gimmick (though to be fair bullfighting is pretty big in Mexico too). The McMahons and their writers still think that there's a magical group of millions of people called "Latinos" that will support anybody that speaks Spanish. Well what is worse the Matadores gimmick or the Hunico/Camacho "Cholo" gimmick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I don't see WWE getting enough credit for how they handled Darren Young last night. People were fearing the worst, and they simply sent the PTPers out for a match and let him be the star of it with a clean pinfall to a nice babyface reaction and a nice post match celebration with Titus. They made no mention of his coming out on commentary, though the crowd was clearly aware of it. About as subtle and perfect a way of handling it as possible, they treated it like it didn't matter or change anything about him, and it doesn't. So hats off to them for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I don't know, I was really expecting Zeb Coulter to cut promos on him as a way to capitalize on this as a media opportunity. They went the tasteful route to be sure, but I think they missed a chance to do something fun with this. Maybe they were worried their audience would boo him or do "faggot" chants? I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I don't know, I was really expecting Zeb Coulter to cut promos on him as a way to capitalize on this as a media opportunity. They went the tasteful route to be sure, but I think they missed a chance to do something fun with this. Maybe they were worried their audience would boo him or do "faggot" chants? I don't know. I pretty much expect that to happen at some point, but I thought for his first TV appearance after coming out it was a nice way to do business. Steph has been touted as a strong supporter of gay rights by Meltzer, and I think this clearly shows her understanding. A pleasant surprise from the creative side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Bennett Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 HHH/Orton/Ambrose/Rollins/Reigns vs Daniel Bryan/CM Punk/Dolph Ziggler/Mark Henry/Big Show would be an amazing Survivor Series match. Agreed, although I think that's putting all their eggs into one basket. I could be wrong but I see Survivor Series shaping up as Punk-Orton for the WWE title and Bryan/Henry/Big Show/Ziggler/whoever vs The Shield/Triple H/Maddox. Someone has to get beaten first at the end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I don't see WWE getting enough credit for how they handled Darren Young last night. People were fearing the worst, and they simply sent the PTPers out for a match and let him be the star of it with a clean pinfall to a nice babyface reaction and a nice post match celebration with Titus. They made no mention of his coming out on commentary, though the crowd was clearly aware of it. About as subtle and perfect a way of handling it as possible, they treated it like it didn't matter or change anything about him, and it doesn't. So hats off to them for that. Agreed. That said, how long have the PTP been babyfaces? I don't recall them being so before RAW. Not a criticism, just an observation. Also, if they did do a nice, subtle turn because of Young's news, it was the best thing possible, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 The PTP have been heels up until now, but kinda goofy and funny as well. They haven't really done anything heelish besides being boastful show offs so turning them face is as easy as just booking them against heels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Agreed, although I think that's putting all their eggs into one basket. That is true, I tried to book the rest of the show around that match and realised there weren't enough other workers to put together any kind of viable card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 PTP's did a video for WWE.com with again no overt mention of coming out besides a reference to Darren being a national hero in jest along with this air being lifted off their chests vibe. Darren and Titus just being platonic friends is heartwarming given what promotions have done in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I think the biggest problem with the Bryan storyline right now is actually the PPV schedule. We've got NOC, which is straightforward enough, then Battleground, which people are thinking could be some sort of team-war games themed thing. Then 3 weeks later there's Hell in a Cell. There's almost no way to disengage Bryan from Orton to lead to a bigger Wrestlemania match here. Hell in the Cell pretty much has to be either the two of them in a blow off or Bryan and HHH in a blow off. I don't think there's time to really build anything else. Then we get Survivor Series and if Battleground is what we think it is, I assume the top matches won't be elimination tags but that they will make up the undercard, TLC which is another "Continuation of feuds" sort of PPV on paper, though I'm not sure they've always used it that way, and the Rumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I don't think running the Orton vs Bryan match 2-3 times is out of the question if they do decide to draw the feud out. - The Shield costs DB the title against Orton at NOC - DB and three partners face Orton & The Shield at Battleground and win - DB beats any one of The Shield at HIAC while Orton faces Punk with some type of cheap finish - Orton vs Punk vs Bryan headlines Survivor Series with Punk eating the fall after Brock/Heyman interference - Bryan earns title shot by beating Orton in a non-title tag match on RAW, or so we think. HHH refuses to allow the match to headline because it's not good for business - Bryan put into some type of impossible situation gimmick match at TLC where HHH halfassedly tells him sure, he can have Orton at the Rumble and he'll give him his deserved opportunity if he can pull off nearly impossible thing; Bryan wins - Bryan beats Orton at Rumble for the title with Maddox as special ref, Vince as timekeeper, Vicki as ring announcer (recreate Over The Edge); meanwhile, as a last-minute response HHH rigs Rumble to draw #30 and have everyone left in the ring take dives for the boss - Bryan successfully defends in match involving Orton/Punk/whoever else at EC; gets laid out immediately by HHH after - Bryan vs HHH at Mania with Bryan finally getting his revenge Not likely and a little bit challenging, but possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 People really think that HHH vs Bryan at Mania makes more sense than Bryan vs Orton for the title? I guess the big issue is what to do with Cena (and I suppose what to do with HHH too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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