NintendoLogic Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 I never said that Bryan wasn't over. Just not as over as he was a few months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 I never said that Bryan wasn't over. Just not as over as he was a few months ago. I think it's clear the people in the thread responding don't agree with your original premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Also to Kris point, I know what has been reported, but I am really starting to think the reported matches are off. I could be wrong and I would be fine with those matches, but I have a feeling Brock won't be working Taker. In my heart of hearts I feel it will be Brock v. Batista and Taker v. Cena though I admit I have no reason to believe that.I still kind of feel like Batista is coming back to work Orton due to all the history between Batista, Orton & HHH but Batista vs Brock would be so awesome. It's like the one big dream match between the two that hasn't happened. Not sure they are really going to pull the trigger on Taker vs Cena though since I think the crowd would be SO one sided against Cena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Does Batista come back where he left off as a heel, or do we forget that happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Batista will be a babyface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Cena/Rollins from Smackdown last week was a damn good time, and really stood out compared with Punk's showing on Monday. Â I thought the closing angle with Bryan & the Watts was well done, but am just not feeling it. I don't know why you take a face who has a crowd that engaged and cut that out of the experience, especially with a lead heel who they seemingly don't have a ton of confidence in inside of the ring. Â Fortunately this is obviously still in the very early stages of whatever the big picture is, so there's plenty of time to see where it goes. Just hope that the goal is making Bryan an even bigger babyface star than he was coming into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Another thing you have to remember is Vince is pushing the mentality now that there are no babyfaces and heels but personalities that fans either like or don't like.....I think Bryan is still going to be over no matter what unless they try to make him turn on the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 I never said that Bryan wasn't over. Just not as over as he was a few months ago. I feel like he's still over, but the crowd has cooled on his push (if that makes sense). I still think if he won the title (for real) or slapped HHH in the Yes Lock or something, the crowd would lose their shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 I really think everyone should calm down calling this a "heel turn" after just one week. I'm pretty sure this whole thing leads to Bryan being the one who will end up causing the Wyatt Family to break up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Another thing you have to remember is Vince is pushing the mentality now that there are no babyfaces and heels but personalities that fans either like or don't like.....I think Bryan is still going to be over no matter what unless they try to make him turn on the fans. Yeah that part is definitely disconcerting, but again, need to see how it translates to the product and plays out. I get it to the extent that they feel fans will react how they want to certain wrestlers regardless of how they're pushed, but if you don't provide fans with that base to either agree with or react against, you may come dangerously close to inviting apathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Anyone else think the "Vince doesn't believe in faces and heels anymore" story just happened to come out after they had to turn Miz back after a week because they forgot about his Christmas movie that was coming out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Anyone else think the "Vince doesn't believe in faces and heels anymore" story just happened to come out after they had to turn Miz back after a week because they forgot about his Christmas movie that was coming out? Vince still believes in faces and heels. I know what he says, but I don't buy it. It reeks of something he hasn't really thought through, as far as the consequences and impact of fully embracing that vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 I've been pondering the thought, and I am probably giving the writing team or whoever way too much credit, but... Â The Wyatt Family is already getting cheered. Â Bray keeps talking about "taking down the machine." Â Is it possible Bryan goes with the Wyatt's (turning them face or into a weirdo group of tweeners) and the lot of them go after HHH, Orton, and The Shield.....with Kane possibly playing a mole inside The Authority having already aligned with The Wyatts during his relatively unexplained absence after losing to Bray at Summerslam? Â Â They have to know that turning him heel isn't going to work, and him joining them as a ruse is really too obvious (which likely means it is what they are doing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 I really think everyone should calm down calling this a "heel turn" after just one week. I'm pretty sure this whole thing leads to Bryan being the one who will end up causing the Wyatt Family to break up.I don't think it's even that long-term of a thing (as you would hope breaking up a "family" would involve). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 This heel turn is a swerve, in my eyes. Unless somebody turns heel by beating down a face, it wont last... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Just read this on wrestlinginc  Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter  - It's said that The Undertaker asked to work with Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania XXX. No word yet if it was discussed internally or anything. Sounds like the kind of made up rumor that credits the WON when in fact it was never reported there. Haven't listened to this week's podcast nor read the newsletter, does anyone know if Dave said anything about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 It's in the WON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Well I'll be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 It also looks like the Wolves are headed to TNA instead of WWE. I guess working with Bromans is better than working with the Ascension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Good news there as I don't need piles of shit like Edwards and Richards ruining the best show on television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 This has been referenced recently, but something that I think is important to think about is the fact that this could be a year where WWE programming will experience some big changes. Â As we know, the WWE Network will launch sometime this quarter, and almost all of the PPVs will air on it for subscribers. This will essentially turn the shows from $45/$55 shows into $10-12 shows (with plenty of added content). Under the subscription model, I think it's fair to assume that subscriber numbers will stay relatively stable, since people may not want to cancel just for one bad PPV when they get plenty of extra content along with it. Â If this turns out to be the case, Vince and creative may decide it's not worth putting much effort into building up PPVs (not that they seemed to try with shows like last year's Survivor Series) because it won't make a difference in revenue, essentially turning them into commercial-free episodes of Raw. Â This could turn out to be a good thing. If WWE doesn't need to have a world title match on every PPV, it's easier to do long-term booking, since they can wait until the appropriate time for a big match to happen, rather than throwing it on a PPV because it's pretty much a requirement (for example, if WWE wanted Bryan to win the title at WrestleMania, they could've saved his title shot until then instead of having him feud with Orton during the fall). However, if there's no urgency in building to a show, that could become lazy and just have certain periods (like the fall) become even less important because they won't be building to anything. "Aimless direction" isn't a good policy for a company with six hours of weekly primetime content. Â If the Network doesn't work out, they can't easily reverse the policy, because they will have taught their fans that the PPVs are just $10 shows that are Raw without the commercials. As we've seen in both WWE and TNA, once the fans believe something doesn't matter, it's difficult to convince them to care about it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Just read this on wrestlinginc  Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter  - It's said that The Undertaker asked to work with Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania XXX. No word yet if it was discussed internally or anything. Sounds like the kind of made up rumor that credits the WON when in fact it was never reported there. Haven't listened to this week's podcast nor read the newsletter, does anyone know if Dave said anything about this?  That feels like Taker hearing all the rumors that he's supposed to fight Lesnar and remembering "oh hell no that guy hits like a truck and my body is already almost completely broken" That's a big high profile match for Daniel Bryan but I really don't like the matchup. EDIT: Oh and I just read this report right after my post.  - According to a report from The Wrestling Observer, a potential match between Brock Lesnar and The Undertaker has been discussed for WrestleMania 30, but there are growing concerns that could prevent the match from happening.  The biggest concern is said to be Lesnar's physical style not pairing well with the more limited Undertaker. This is also why WWE officials originally considered Sheamus as Taker's opponent.  Also, previously Undertaker's opponents in recent years have planned their matches with Undertaker in great detail and also practiced the matches with him before the PPV. There is concern that Lesnar would be unwilling to put that amount of time in to prepare for the match.  Credit: The Wrestling Observer via Wrestlezone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo-Yo's Roomie Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I want Bryan/Lesnar. My fantasy booking bullshit was Bryan beating Triple H to earn his way in the Rumble, winning the rumble from number 1, Trips realising that Orton isn't going to be able to stop Bryan becoming champ at 'Mania so making a deal with the devil (Heyman) and having Brock take out Orton for the belt so Bryan has to beat Brock to win the title. Â If you think that's fanciful, my other thing was Regal turning heel to set up Punk/Regal at 'Mania, the idea being Regal is doing his old pal Hunter a favour by taking out Punk (which was part of the deal Hunter made with Heyman). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I want Bryan/Lesnar. My fantasy booking bullshit was Bryan beating Triple H to earn his way in the Rumble, winning the rumble from number 1, Trips realising that Orton isn't going to be able to stop Bryan becoming champ at 'Mania so making a deal with the devil (Heyman) and having Brock take out Orton for the belt so Bryan has to beat Brock to win the title. My fantasy booking is basically along the same lines. I think I put it in one of the Armchair Booking threads. Â I'm desperate for Bryan/Lesnar, but I realise it's a long shot and I'm not unhappy with most of the other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Another tidbit on the daily WON update was that WWE announced they would be showing Chris Benoit matches as part of the network (airing disclaimers prior to shows he appears on) so that should finally end that tired debate once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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