Zoo Enthusiast Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 To paraphrase it, they aren't adding enough stuff or promoting it enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 The use of "It's Way Over the Top" as a slogan when no one outside the industry knows what the term "over the top" means shouldn't be slept on either. Between that and not being clear it could be viewed on a TV with a streaming device probably caused a lot of potential subs to shy away since they had no way of knowing these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 I would have thought it was a play on wrestling words, as in over the top rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted July 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Over the Top only has one meaning in my world... Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 The use of "It's Way Over the Top" as a slogan when no one outside the industry knows what the term "over the top" means shouldn't be slept on either. Between that and not being clear it could be viewed on a TV with a streaming device probably caused a lot of potential subs to shy away since they had no way of knowing these things. I wouldn't have known what I need to watch it on tv if it wasn't for this place. I bet Johnny S was in a similar boat since we both got Rokus. If they are trying to capture lost fans it's important to educate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 It's weird since it was almost like they were targeting the hardcores (who would likely already know how to stream things to their TV), but delivered the content casual fans would expect instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 It's weird since it was almost like they were targeting the hardcores (who would likely already know how to stream things to their TV), but delivered the content casual fans would expect instead. Â I think they knew they already had the hardcores. The real object is to create new hardcore fans of the current product, so you'll buy tix and merch, etc. It really has to be the goal, since the only way of monetizing the old stuff is to throw it up on the Network, and they're already giving away the PPV's. If they're not putting on compelling enough TV to make people buy the Network, they're fucked, regardless of whether a few people want to watch 1976 Stampede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Yeah, that's my point. They already had the hardcores, yet the advertising seemed to be aimed at them instead of the folks they need to target to make it work at the level they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Which is why there's a backlash brewing, there was an implication to the hardcores that there would be way more historical stuff available than there ended up being, so now the one segment of the audience they had locked in is now considering not renewing when their six months is up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Which is why there's a backlash brewing, there was an implication to the hardcores that there would be way more historical stuff available than there ended up being, so now the one segment of the audience they had locked in is now considering not renewing when their six months is up. If those people actually do cancel will be the big question. Or they could be like the fans who do nothing but complain and keep hate-watching. If people actually did vote with their wallets, changes would be much more likely. My guess is they don't cancel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I guest co-hosted Wrestling Observer Live with Bryan tonight. We talked about what I wrote, including how PayPal loopholes allow foreigners to subscribe and anyone to cancel before the six month mark. Then a caller let us know that he shares his account with five friends and they all stream PPVs at the same time, in spite of the TOS saying it's one stream at a time and that "circumventing" the safeguards they don't actually have in place could get you cancelled and/or sued. Â So, let's review: EVERY SINGLE SAFEGUARD THEY HAVE IN PLACE DOESN'T WORK. Forgetting about every other issue the service has, that's really bad. I would guess these are all MLB Advanced Media's fault. What the FUCK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 The use of "It's Way Over the Top" as a slogan when no one outside the industry knows what the term "over the top" means shouldn't be slept on either. Between that and not being clear it could be viewed on a TV with a streaming device probably caused a lot of potential subs to shy away since they had no way of knowing these things. Â Yeah, there's not much to add about the slogan, which is why I kept it pretty simple in the newsletter, but if they thought that it would signal to people what exactly the network was (streaming viewable on TVs), then...wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I really think they should have done a one night tournament on the network to decide the title and then did what they were going to do anyway instead of the injury for MITB (which is a draw in and of itself), just subbing the new champ in vs Kane. Â They should do a KOTR on it now. Something that feels important that you just can't get any other way but that also doesn't take away from their usual PPVs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I want to like the Network but the lack of effort in the old content really bothers me. I also rarely watch it now that I have a Roku box and the Plex channel let's me watch all of my wrestling content on the tv in good quality now. Â Honestly, if they just put more WCCW or started up with SMW or Mid-South and consistently put up new episodes I would be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 It really would not be that hard to throw a bone at the hardcores. The SMW tape library was probably very organized when they got it, it wouldn't take anything to start in the beginning and upload like 2 episodes a week and just go through the whole run. The Mid-South library was converted from tapes LONG before they even bought it so digitizing it should be fairly quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 It really would not be that hard to throw a bone at the hardcores. The SMW tape library was probably very organized when they got it, it wouldn't take anything to start in the beginning and upload like 2 episodes a week and just go through the whole run. The Mid-South library was converted from tapes LONG before they even bought it so digitizing it should be fairly quick. Â That requires planning and forethought. Sadly, as much as I like the Network, so far it seems as if whoever is putting content up has no plan in mind or forethought at play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I guest co-hosted Wrestling Observer Live with Bryan tonight. We talked about what I wrote, including how PayPal loopholes allow foreigners to subscribe and anyone to cancel before the six month mark. Then a caller let us know that he shares his account with five friends and they all stream PPVs at the same time, in spite of the TOS saying it's one stream at a time and that "circumventing" the safeguards they don't actually have in place could get you cancelled and/or sued. Â So, let's review: EVERY SINGLE SAFEGUARD THEY HAVE IN PLACE DOESN'T WORK. Forgetting about every other issue the service has, that's really bad. I would guess these are all MLB Advanced Media's fault. What the FUCK? Â Â I know MLB At Bat doesn't have any kind of contract subscription like the Network has, you pay a lump sum at the beginning of baseball season to get the whole year. In fact, they used to allow you to split the cost over the cost of up to 4 months of your cable service but they stopped that last year. So MLB AM would not have had any gating in place in terms of keeping people from canceling after X amount of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 It is interesting to note that I have seen WAY more people complaining about MLB.TV this year than ever......not a coincidence I think as they are being stretched way too thin right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 If WWE was smart they would have had a team working very closely with the MLB guys from the very beginning with the idea that they eventually bring everything in house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Don't know why this bugged me, but they've got the date of No Way Out 2003 listed as 2/22/2003. Apparently the correct date is 2/23/2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I'm pretty sure they are still off by one day on all their program labels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 The problem with people bitching about content is that they will ALWAYS bitch about content. When people complain that not all the RAW are there and they are there, they will bitch about Smackdown not being there. Then they put up Smackdown and they bitch about Nitro not up there. Then they put up Nitro and they will complain that Mid South TV isn't showing. It is an endless cycle. Â Now the issue with access, payment, and security is definitely a problem that is hurting the Network. Plus the hype behind probably hasn't been as strong as the "Be A Star" thing shoved down our throat every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I think the lack of content is a problem, mainly due to the need for diversified content that I've written about a bunch. I don't expect everything up, that's just foolhardy. But they do need to supplement the new content (Main Event, Countdown, Superstars, NXT, PPVs) with a steady stream of old content being added. Trickling in the Raw's is fine, and it would be fine if they did that with everything. But, there needs to be a plan in place to add this content and there doesn't appear to be in any way shape or form. Instead it's as if someone goes, "Let's add ECW Hardcore TV #92 and 122 this week, that sounds like a plan." That's just not going to cut it, especially when the key to any streaming service is diversified content (and in a wrestling stream diversified content that makes sense chronologically). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 For the "people will always just bitch" side of this argument, Netflix doesn't randomly leave out episodes of series on Watch Instantly. When they put up a new season of their original content it doesn't randomly not include episode 5. Â I'm personally not asking for much. Even if they just take ONE territory out of their library that has a clean tape library to a do chronological run, I'd be happy with that. I already said that Mid-South & SMW would be the easiest to do. Putting up the entire SMW TV library would be easy to do chronologically and they could drag that out for well over a year of "fresh content" uploads. ECW & WCCW would seem to fall into the same category, it's not hard for me to find every episode of ECW TV that they've skipped over on the Network. Not sure on WCCW but people are saying they've left out things they already put up on WWE 24/7. I'd like to see some actual thought and effort put into the Network before I subscribe again because "HEY CHEAP PPVS!" isn't the hook for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Their is a saying in wrestling that wrestling is like a circus. If I don't like the clowns , I can see the lion tamer etc. The network should be like that. I'm not into 94 Raw, oh hey their is new WCCW up, hey look I don't like either their is a hot match on Main Event. Â Â The constant pushing of the Live Stream is just dumb. The only thing that should be pushed on the live stream is 1st run or original material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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