Ricky Jackson Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 This will be the ongoing thread for my new show with Superstar Sleeze (Marty Sleeze in the Titans universe) that will focus on historical tag team wrestling. Beginning with 1985 WWF, the plan is to eventually look at other territories (Carolinas, AWA, WCW, etc) and likely other countries (Japan, Mexico, etc), examining how tag team wrestling varied from place to place and from era to era. The pilot episode, released last month, is available here http://placetobenation.com/titans-xtra-tag-teams-back-again/ Episode 2 http://placetobenation.com/tag-teams-back-again-episode-2/ Join the "New Dream Team" Kelly Nelson and Marty "Superstar" Sleeze as they continue to examine tag team wrestling from 1985 WWF! Today, the focus turns to makeshift/short-lived tag teams, with discussion on a collection of matches featuring some of the biggest names in wrestling history.Tito Santana & Ricky Steamboat vs ??? & ???, 3/25/85 Brantford, OntAndre the Giant & Paul Orndorff vs Roddy Piper & Bob Orton Jr, 8/10/85 MSGTito Santana & Tony Atlas vs Randy Savage & Jesse Ventura, 12/7/85 SpectrumAndre the Giant & Hulk Hogan vs Big John Studd & King Kong Bundy, 10/31/85 SNMEBruno Sammartino & Paul Orndorff vs Roddy Piper & Bob Orton, CAGE MATCH 10/26/85 Spectrum Playlist http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x3odmk_kelly1977x_ttba/1#video=x4c6n1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Love how far off the deep end parts of this are. On Jack Reynolds, I reviewed the first ep of PTW here: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/16786-jerryvonkramers-cheesy-journey/?p=5514524 Kely describing in detail where Super 8 usually sits is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Part 1 was a great show...I loved the hell out of it.. The Santana / Steamer vs. Dream Team match is on one of the Best of WWF tapes from way back when... I dont think the US Express / Dream Team title change in full is on any Colliseum vids, just the end on the History of the Tag Titles.. Really lookin forward to part 2... Keep up the great work...and Marty, your match reviews are spot fuckin on and well done. Studd and Bundy should have had a long feud with the Bulldogs over Summer / Fall of 86..I think they should have been champs, but that means more switching around when means devaluing the straps.... But have them really in a heated feud with the Bulldogs (maybe a title match on SNME) instead of the one match they had against each other... Studd and Bundy would have been a great team into late 86 and into 87, but it wasnt to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Love the concept, especially if it continues to branch out as the episodes go on. Tag Team wrestling when done right is more enthralling than a normal match for me. Surprised no one has tackled this as a podcast subject before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Halfway through this. Marty - interesting points about match structure/face shine on the Piper tag. When do you think the 'heels must not be completely overpowered' mentality came in? First thing I noticed was complaints about the Horsemen stooging too much for Dusty in '87. Also, and it's funny because I was just reading this last week - Raven completely disagrees with you in a Torch talk in 2003. He says if something has to be cut from a match it's the shine, and the heat is vital to get the finish over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsider Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Great show! The era you cover gives me that rush of euphoria! Who needs heroin! Don't forget handi-capped tag-teams back again! Hogan would be on superstars vs Bolsheviks. Anyway I'm looking forward to next show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted April 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Episode 3 will be dropping in about a weeks time. Marty and I will be examining the Bulldogs, Harts, Killer Bees and more Dream Team as we move from 85 to 86 in the WWF. I would be remiss if I didn't give major props to Word Hoard for coming up with this sweet poster for our show. He is also responsible for the latest Brainbuster! and Exile on Badstreet art, which is also very, very awesome. Take a bow Word Hoard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Needs a couple more Johnny Ace pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Hoard Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 If I could have fit him in a few more times, I would have. Might have to scrap this and start over.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Just wanted to chime in to say that that Bruno poster you did is the best shit I've ever seen and I want to make it the official Titans logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted April 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Episode 3 http://placetobenation.com/tag-teams-back-again-episode-3/ Curl up in your most comfortable pair of Zubaz and join Kelly and Marty Sleeze for more tag team action from 1985-86 WWF! Also, history geeks rejoice as the early careers of the Bulldogs, Harts, and Bees are explored. Today, we examine: British Bulldogs vs Hart Foundation 4/27/85, Spectrum (first ever meeting) Dream Team vs British Bulldogs 10/13/85, MLG Dream Team vs Killer Bees 12/7/85, Boston Garden British Bulldogs vs Hart Foundation, 1/18/86, Cap Center British Bulldogs vs Dream Team, 5/19/86, MSG *Apologies for some audio issues again. I swear, we've finally fixed the problem and everything will be smooth as silk from now on* Playlist: http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x3pl32_kelly1977x_ttba-3/1#video=x3wvdr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNXBq_ryD1o&index=1&list=PLV6RCTo_Cd0BV2D-3XXPg6YPmk1p3lPeq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I know a lot of people pay $2/minute (1-900-909-9900, kids make sure to get your parents permission first) to hear me breathe and you all complain when you get it for free! :p : Yes, we did fix it in the post-production meeting, I pinky swear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I'm exactly 1:04 in with 1:04 left. Very enjoyable so far and honestly no real audio issues so far. I enjoyed the discussion of fan perspectives on Hart Foundation and Rockers and why people might think the things they do. On structure and house style, I'd break it down as follows: AWA - extended shine, double heat. Often babyfaces get ten minutes before twenty mins of FIP with heels working both guys over. WWF - Heel in peril, face in peril. For me this is actually pretty similar to AWA with the extended shine, but often FIP sequence is truncated and seldom is there more than one. Southern - shine, FIP, hot tag, finish Agreed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Another awesome show and great chemistry between the two. Keep them coming. I can't wait for your Demolition discussion, eventually! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I'm sure you guys are going to do Demolition justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted April 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Thanks guys. Yeah, I'm actually really looking forward to getting to 87-89 and all the great teams and match-ups. 85-86 has some good stuff but it's kinda the appetizer before the main course for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Some other running thoughts: Laughed out loud during Blair - Mike Graham comparison. Best Blair match I've seen is from 84, I think, vs. Paul Orndorff. Shown on the very first PTW. Poor Jumping Jim. Can you see him getting over in JCP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Some other running thoughts: Laughed out loud during Blair - Mike Graham comparison. Best Blair match I've seen is from 84, I think, vs. Paul Orndorff. Shown on the very first PTW. Poor Jumping Jim. Can you see him getting over in JCP? At that effort level, he can't get over anywhere. Now, if he was in JCP and motivated then there is no reason he couldn't get over. The tag team roster was pretty stacked, who would you put him with? I am imagine he is a face. You have America's Team, RnRs, Road Warriors, Garvin/Windham (87). I can't think of a midcarder to stick him with. I think financially he made the best decision for himself, but maybe Mid-South or AWA could have used his talents more even if both on the verge of collapse. On your other point Parv, I was speaking about how the Harts/Bulldogs deviated from the house style with a short shine & double FIP. From your talking point of 20mins, perhaps due to the compression of the WWF style, they took the AWA style, which may have influenced Stampede and compressed. Maybe, it was the Stampede style and we just don't know? Everybody else thanks for the kind works. Ax and Smasher are coming, don't you worry! I am making Kelly sit through all those Powers of Pain matches that I watched. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted May 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Episode 4 http://placetobenation.com/tag-teams-back-again-episode-4/ Join Kelly and Marty Sleeze as they continue their trip through the 1986 WWF tag team scene. On this episode they examine:Hart Foundation vs Killer Bees 2/17/86 MSGDream Team vs British Bulldogs 4/7/86 Wrestlemania 2Dream Team vs British Bulldogs 2 out of 3 falls 10/4/86 SNMEHart Foundation vs British Bulldogs 11/1/86 Boston GardenHart Foundation vs The Islanders 11/16/86 MLGDream Team vs The Islanders 12/6/86 Boston Garden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted May 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Playlist for ep 4 Islanders vs Hart Foundation Islanders vs Dream Team http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x3s3qi_kelly1977x_ttba-4/1#video=x8jiyc Hart Foundation vs Killer Bees https://youtu.be/guhF_AbDJ3I?list=PLV6RCTo_Cd0DPMLk3hUL46AN9dwFHrlw-&t=1727 The other three matches are on the Network. Highly recommend checking out the Islanders matches and the Bulldogs/Dream Team SNME match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Loving the show, as always. Kelly mentioned that Brady Boone was some jobber. He was, but he was also Billy Jack Haynes cousin. There was a memorable angle involving him where Demolition beat Boone and another jobber and completely destroyed Boone post match. Hayes, and his partner Ken Patera, come out to protect Boone. Then Patera/Hayes feud with Demolition for a little bit. There is even a match where Patera is hurt or something and Boone takes his place. It's a really fun little feud and the first real thing they did with Demolition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Cool. I don't remember the angle but do recall Patera and Billy Jack teaming. We'll have to check that out when we get to 1987 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Marty by cutting edge are you saying better? To me the scene peaked in the 80's. Do you think the Bulldogs ushering in this new style eventually hurt the tag team scene? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Also do you guys think that the Hart Foundation vs Killer Bees matches are the most hit or matches maybe in the history of wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I am pretty sure I watched Demos vs Patera/Haynes and I know I watched Ax vs Patera (Matt D vs Dylan, BABY!) and was underwhelmed. Yep, we will rewatch. The best early Demolition match is with surprise, surprise the Islanders. Cutting Edge not in that it was better, but it was what wrestling was moving towards except the Bulldogs were a decade ahead of themselves. It felt really avant-garde for the time, No, the Bulldogs style did not hurt the tag team division because there was no follow up until Benoit/Guerrero/Malenko in mid-90s WCW. Once Dynamite gets injured, the tag scene resets to Demolition clubbering, Strike Force/Islanders working Southern-Style blood feud and the Rockers being friggin awesome. Bulldogs were not immediately influential and thus had little bearing on the state of the tag division. The tag division felt apart because Vince stopped caring. I pointed it out because just how incredible the WWF was in the late 80s in terms of all the styles they had. Bulldogs were basically a Japanese tag team wrestling against a hard-hitting, no-nonsense Mid-Atlantic stalwart and his useless WWF heel partner. It was just really cool the all-star nature of the promotion.I have actually only seen that Hart Foundation/Killer Bees match. I did want to watch some Bret Hart vs Jim Brunzell singles at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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