goodhelmet Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 PTBN Reaction Show: NXT Takeover Brooklyn Will is joined by documentary maker Johnny P (Barbed Wire City), Dave Musgrave (Wrestling Culture) and Pete (Titans of Wrestling) to run down the biggest NXT show of all time. We discuss the debuts of Jushin Liger and Apollo Crews. We talk about the awesome women’s division and the ladder match. Join us for a fun show!!! http://placetobenation.com/ptbn-reaction-show-nxt-takeover-brooklyn/ Quote
Mando Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 Good on Pete for showing the most "generalism" of the PWO PTBN team! Quote
Jmare007 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 Will you are one cold hearted son of a bitch. Put me on the emotionally invested group that didn't care about the "curtain call" after Sasha/Bayley. Quote
Parties Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 Re: the curtain call - it seemed clear to me that it was an instance in which NXT and the main roster have separate continuities. It worked for me as a moment because it felt apparent that this was being presented as Charlotte/Lynch/Sasha's last nights in NXT. If they end up continuing to do double duty, then that moment may look worse in hindsight. But I suspect that we won't be seeing them on NXT going forward (at least not Sasha), and the moment was a validation of Bayley as "one of us", in keeping with the story told in the hype video of her feeling as though she's been left behind by the other three in their move to the main roster. You have to buy into the idea that these are two different worlds, almost as if you were watching territorial TV and saw a team as faces in one company and heels in another. I realize that's a stretch for some, but I really liked the moment because it felt both genuine and dramatic. It's so rare that WWE offers genuine climaxes to their stories, let alone offering stories at all. To me Banks' character was never some Owens-like diabolical troll who'd fake a hug just to spite her opponent. Rather, she's more like an arrogant athlete or music star who believes she's the best, but is still capable of sincere emotion precisely because she's such an egotist. She's not the Dirty White Boy luring in Tom Pritchard. She's Kanye West on award tour. Quote
goodhelmet Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Posted August 23, 2015 It would be a lot easier to buy into the idea of them being two separate worlds if Sasha's tag team partners for SummerSlam weren't in the front row. Quote
ZThomas Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 I took it as Hunter trying to get a pop from Pac Hall & Nash Quote
goodhelmet Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Posted August 23, 2015 I could absolutely see that. Quote
goodhelmet Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Posted August 23, 2015 Stephanie is so proud of the divas... just like Pete and Johnny P. How sweet Quote
JerryvonKramer Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 TWO MAIN EVENTS! Haven't listened to this yet and don't really care what was said about this particular point, because it's bollocks. Do a google image search for NXT Takeover Brooklyn and tell me what you see. Quote
JerryvonKramer Posted August 24, 2015 Report Posted August 24, 2015 Listening to this now. All is totally forgiven Will, loving this rant about the pussy gayness hugging shit, totally with you there brother. The Boss shouldn't have been hugging. Quote
goodhelmet Posted August 24, 2015 Author Report Posted August 24, 2015 I didn't call it gayness but point taken. Quote
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 24, 2015 Report Posted August 24, 2015 Parv is still a complete homophobic neanderthal, don't mind him. Quote
Robert S Posted August 24, 2015 Report Posted August 24, 2015 It's funny hearing people shitting (Will calling him bush-league) on Tye Dillinger considering that in 2007 people on DVDVR called him the best heel in the business. Quote
goodhelmet Posted August 24, 2015 Author Report Posted August 24, 2015 Never heard of him before. Quote
Grimmas Posted August 24, 2015 Report Posted August 24, 2015 Never heard of him before. Shawn Spears, wrestled in my local promtion here and went to OVW in 2006. Has been in and out of WWE for years and even had an ECW run. Man Neo Spirit Pro was so great. You had Shawn Spears, Eric Young, Bobby Roode, Angelina Love, Cody Deaner, Tyson Dux. What a company. Even Lawler was there once. Quote
jushin muta liger Posted August 24, 2015 Report Posted August 24, 2015 With the Bayley botch off the top nearly killing herself, she was going for a rana off the top and Sasha just held on. Seen Bayley pull it off at the Fatal 4 Way match they had in February. Doesn't fully excuse her from the botch but it made me realize what she was trying to do. Quote
shoe Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 Now I have gone back and watched the Ladder Match. It was an excellent stiff match. This played to both men's strength. To me Balor's strength is his charisma and his offense looks credible, and athleticism. So this bout played right to his strengths. Owens great at heeling with the crowd. I thought he was great at incorporating the ladder. Their were so many times I cringed at a spot. I'm glad I watched this because 2 matches were better than anything on Summerslam. Quote
BillThompson Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 With the Bayley botch off the top nearly killing herself, she was going for a rana off the top and Sasha just held on. Seen Bayley pull it off at the Fatal 4 Way match they had in February. Doesn't fully excuse her from the botch but it made me realize what she was trying to do. I think that botch is an example of a move not hurting a match. It worked within the context of what they were trying to do. It's rare when that happens, but this is one of those times. Quote
DR Ackermann Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 Yeah I thought it was a great botch, if such a thing is possible. Quote
Woof Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 Why do people get so hung up on the idea of a "botched" move? If wrestling is supposed to be an athletic competition, isn't it reasonable to expect that not every attempted move is going to be successful or hit cleanly? When that fall happened on Saturday I just took at as "Bayley went for something there but didn't hit it", even though in the moment I knew it was probably not *meant* to happen as it did. I didn't view it any different than a guy blowing a dunk in basketball.The only time a botch irritates me is when it exposes the business as being staged. Going for a move and missing it, or at the lest not hitting it cleanly, never bothers me. Quote
Matt D Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 Like anything else, it depends on the context, the recovery, and the selling. In that situation, there was contact between foot and face, and Sasha was stunned for a few seconds, looking for blood, before moving on to the next spot, which then didn't end the match. In that regard, it worked. I had more of an issue with the transition spot of Sasha falling off the ropes, because I didn't think what was happening there was presented well by the wrestlers, the announcers, or the camera work and that was a much more important spot in the story of the match. Quote
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