NintendoLogic Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 It told the right story. He turned the guy's chest to hamburger with one (1) chop. It got a simple chop over as a lethal weapon. There was nothing excessive or masturbatory about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 The thing about Walter is that it started to become a gimmick where guys would get killed by chops and wear the marks as a badge of pride. It''s one thing if it's someone fair skinned who gets red marks easily, he's clearly hitting these guys with chops as hard as he can. Which, if you've got the testicular fortitiude to take one, great I suppose. It does seem to miss the point of it all supposed to only *look* like things hurt though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, KawadaSmile said: I dunno, El-P. Chop sequences nowadays are overdone, yes, but WALTER is such an absurdly strong chopper that if paired against someone like Ilja Dragunov, it can generate an incredible dramatic effect with minimal effort. WALTER is dangerous enough that his chop, a basic wrestling strike, is lethal. Except you can get the same exact effect by throwing a stiff chop that looks great without busting the other guy's chest. That's not "minimal effort here", that's hitting the other guy as hard as you can. I remember people shitting on Sid back in 2000 because he didn't want to take Benoit's chops, but you know, there's always the argument : its' supposed to look like it hurts. Same as the ridiculous real headbutts or Foley asking Vader to bust his nose for real. It's even more stupid when you're actually a really good worker. Oh anyway, I would probably have popped for the chop if I just saw it... (didn't mean I would not think it's stupid though, I do react to stupid stuff) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, sek69 said: Which, if you've got the testicular fortitiude to take one, great I suppose. Hey, there you go, suffer for my sadistic pleasure. That's a way to look at things, and I am totally guilty of it at times. Doesn't mean I don't find it dumb as fuck and really low-brow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Yeah, I'm sure Sid worked light as a feather with all those jobbers he manhandled. Seriously, it's just a chop to the chest. There's nothing stupid or excessive about stiff shots to safe places. Also, they put Walter up against the skinniest pastiest jobber they could find so as to maximize the visual impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Redneck Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 25 minutes ago, El-P said: Hey, there you go, suffer for my sadistic pleasure. That's a way to look at things, and I am totally guilty of it at times. Doesn't mean I don't find it dumb as fuck and really low-brow. TBH, wrestlers in general, are low-brow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 *looking at the picture again* Yeah, it's disgusting and dumb as fuck. If you can't establish a one move killer without having to resort to *this*, well... 4 minutes ago, Captain Redneck said: TBH, wrestlers in general, are low-brow. Time to dig up the old "What is the worse business : porn or pro-wrestling ?" thread. (although pro-wrestling has probably evolved much more in the right direction lately, contrary to porn which is only getting worse and worse) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 That being said, I'm curious to see how it translated on TV. Yeah. Chop-porn, that's my new name for this kind of stuff ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, sek69 said: The thing about Walter is that it started to become a gimmick where guys would get killed by chops and wear the marks as a badge of pride. It''s one thing if it's someone fair skinned who gets red marks easily, he's clearly hitting these guys with chops as hard as he can. Which, if you've got the testicular fortitiude to take one, great I suppose. It does seem to miss the point of it all supposed to only *look* like things hurt though. Yeah, Bret Hart was bitching about this over twenty years ago. Wrestling is supposed to be a work & chops hurt. He didn't like to take chops, especially on house shows. Even Flair said Bret was probably right, but it was all he had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, El-P said: That being said, I'm curious to see how it translated on TV. Yeah. Chop-porn, that's my new name for this kind of stuff ! https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1090708432145895425 There is video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Thanks. Funny, it doesn't look or sound *that* brutal. Which I guess is both good and bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 40 minutes ago, El-P said: Except you can get the same exact effect by throwing a stiff chop that looks great without busting the other guy's chest. That's not "minimal effort here", that's hitting the other guy as hard as you can. I remember people shitting on Sid back in 2000 because he didn't want to take Benoit's chops, but you know, there's always the argument : its' supposed to look like it hurts. Same as the ridiculous real headbutts or Foley asking Vader to bust his nose for real. It's even more stupid when you're actually a really good worker. Oh anyway, I would probably have popped for the chop if I just saw it... (didn't mean I would not think it's stupid though, I do react to stupid stuff) "Minimal effort" as in the most basic wrestling move can create a good story, instead of doing needless flips and headdrops - but I get what you are saying. I just feel that chops are impossible to look good and not hurt. After all, it is a slap to the chest, and even if the one throwing it doesn't have baseball bat arms like Kobashi, any contact strong enough to generate that remarkable echoing sound is going to hurt. There just isn't a way to work around it like they do with punches or kicks, it seems - and dropping it entirely wouldn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 It's like blood. It can enhance the action and drama when used judiciously, but it becomes distasteful when taken to the point of overkill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Sky Pirates are my new favorite thing in wrestling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Chops are a staple in pro wrestling nowadays. They're like Irish whips to me. I just accept them as a part of the game. But yeah. If we're being honest, they're just ridiculous. They usually hurt like hell, but they look no more impressive than a phony strike of any kind. In fact, nothing beats a nasty-looking punch or an elbow that really looks like it lands. Wrestlers have found ways to seriously elevate their striking game in modern times, leaving the chop looking like some relic from the past. And yeah. Chops are not something anyone would EVER do in a shoot environment. ESPECIALLY if we start talking grudges and blood feuds. No two men are going to stand there and slap chest meat. It's beyond fucking silly to imagine, and it's downright embarrassing to be caught watching it in front of anyone outside the wrestling bubble. They're going to tackle, punch, kick, knee, and maybe even claw. But ain't nobody going Wahoo on a motherfucker's pecs in an actual fight. Chops are nonsense. Glorious, inexplicable pro wrestling horseshit. It is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Lucha handles chops the correct way IMO. It's used there more as a measure of machismo than a move that could win a match, which is perfect since like SomethingSavage said they hurt like hell but aren't impressive strikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Chops made more sense in an era when strikes weren't nearly as important. Punches are supposed to be illegal and elbows tend to look like shit unless you're really laying them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 19 hours ago, Blehschmidt said: Well, Walter made his in-ring debut on NXT:UK this week, and he only threw one chop during the whole match..... Fuck....... I don't know why the first thing I thought about after seeing this was "Shroud of Turin". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Maybe I'm missing something, but what's the fuss about a chop? It leaves a mark and probably hurts like hell, but that's pain rather than injury. No one's risking their career or livelihood taking a chop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 Realistically, a chop is safer than a DDT since broken blood vessels do not equate to concussions in any circumstances. Nothing a little aloe vera won't soothe. We've come a long way from unprotected chairshots and workers slicing their foreheads open with razorblades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotJayTabb Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 For me, it depends if the chops are going to be laid in this hard on a regular basis. My initial reaction was that this was ridiculous, but that image of Jack Starz's chest has been all over the internet. People who didn't watch the show will have been that photo, and now WALTER's chop looks lethal to the audience. Now, in theory, he can hit lighter chops and the crowd will buy it as a death move because of that photo. I'm sure Jack Starz is ok, more people know who he is than did one week ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 7 hours ago, peachchaos said: Realistically, a chop is safer than a DDT since broken blood vessels do not equate to concussions in any circumstances. Well, the idea of good work is not giving the other guy a concussion either. If both guys are good workers, a DDT is both painless and safe. That was the art of pro-wrestling. I remember Bruce Prichard mentionning how taking the DDT from Jake Roberts was the easiest bump he ever took. Let's say you're a worker. What would you rather take ? A piledriver from prime Jerry Lawler or a chop from Walter ? The other day on Fantastica Mania, 50 year old Liger did his brainbuster on 48 years old Mima Shimoda (she was alongside Okamura). It looked great. I'm pretty sure she barely felt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 Again, a hard chop to the chest isn't any worse than slicing your forehead with a razor, which Lawler and his opponents did countless times. And do you really think that Liger never worked stiff or dropped opponents on their heads? You're really reaching here. Just take the L and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 And it's not as if there were not wrestlers 30-40 years ago stiffing each other with hard chops. Wahoo turned lots of chests crimson red in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 Drew Gulak vs Eric Bugenhagen from this week's NXT is my working MOTY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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