Jimmy Redman Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Shamelessly stealing the idea from Chad's thread, because that and Loss' post on the Joshi greatest hits made me realise that this is what I need for certain people that I want to cover my bases with. So for the following guys I'm asking for 5-10 of their best or most necessary matches to watch. Nothing is too obvious. I have seen things from all of them and liked them, but I don't really have a handle on what their greatest hits are, so it's hard to really get a sense of them overall or know where to place my focus down the home stretch. A sentence of context a la Loss would be marvellous. Jun Akiyama Shinya Hashimoto Shinjiro Ohtani El Satanico Negro Casas Pirata Morgan Fuerza Guerrera Blue Panther Rick Martel Harley Race Bill Dundee (non Lawler division) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conker8 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Satanico Espectro Jr., Satanico y MS-1 vs. Mocho Cota, Sangre Chicana y La Fiera (9/30/83) Lizmark vs. El Satanico (April 1984) Satanico vs. Shiro Koshinaka (Hair vs. Hair) (7/30/84) Gran Cochise vs. Satanico (9/14/84) Satanico vs. Super Astro (10/26/84) Sangre Chicana vs. Satanico (5/26/89) Atlantis y Satanico vs. MS-1 y Tierra Viento y Fuego (Hair/Mask vs. Hair/Mask) (9/22/89) El Dandy vs Satanico (12/14/90) Fuerza Guerrera I think Fuerza approaches every match by asking himself the question, "What's the least amount of credibility I can retain and still have a good match?" I love the guy. Here's what I'd recommend off the top of my head as far as singles matches go. There are more than this though. Fuerza Guerrera vs El Pantera (05/04/90) Fuerza Guerrera vs Octagon (11/01/91) Fuerza Guerrera vs Misterioso (12/08/91) Fuerza Guerrera vs Octagon (01/31/92) Shinya Hashimoto Singles (I'll leave the tags, specifically the NJ vs. WAR matches, to someone else) 11/1/90 vs. Choshu 8/9/91 vs. Choshu 2/17/94 vs. Tenyru 2/24/94 vs. Liger 8/15/95 vs. Mutoh 4/12/96 vs. Takada 8/2/96 vs. Choshu Rick Martel Grimmas did a podcast on Martel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew79 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Keep in mind, when I did this I was aiming more for variety than absolute best, but you'll get a good sense of the man: Shinya Hashimoto Shinya Hashimoto vs. Big Van Vader (7/19/91) Shinya Hashimoto & Riki Choshu vs. Genichiro Tenryu & Takashi Ishikawa (4/2/93) Shinya Hashimoto vs. Genichiro Tenryu (2/17/94) Shinya Hashimoto vs. Jushin Liger (2/24/94) Shinya Hashimoto vs. Hiroshi Hase (12/11/94) Shinya Hashimoto vs. Keiji Mutoh (8/15/95) Shinya Hashimoto vs. Nobuhiko Takada (4/20/96) Shinya Hashimoto & Junji Hirata vs. Kazuo Yamazaki & Takashi Iizuka (6/12/96) Shinya Hashimoto vs. Riki Choshu (8/2/96) Shinya Hashimoto vs. Kazuo Yamazaki (2/16/97) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Shinjiro Ohtani Ohtani/Wild Pegasus vs. Black Tiger/Great Sasuke 10/18/1994 vs. El Samurai 1/21/1996 vs. Jushin Liger 3/17/1996 vs. Ultimo Dragon 8/5/1996 vs. Jushin Liger 2/9/1997 Jun Akiyama Akiyama/Misawa vs. Kawada/Taue 1996 feud vs. Kobashi 7/24/1998 vs. Ogawa 9/11/1998 vs. Misawa 2/27/2000 vs. Tenzan 8/17/2003 vs. Kobashi 7/10/2004 vs Masao Inoue 4/23/2006 vs. Marufuji 9/9/2006 vs. Suwara 10/23/2011 vs. Kai 4/29/2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Negro Casas: Vs. Santo 1987 Vs. El Dandy 7/3/92 Vs. Ultimo Dragon 3/19/93 vs. Santo 9/1997 vs. Blue Panther 3/1/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Negro Casas: Vs. Santo 1987 Vs. El Dandy 7/3/92 Vs. Ultimo Dragon 3/19/93 vs. Santo 9/1997 vs. Blue Panther 3/1/12 That's a Negro Casas who would make my top 30 but not my top 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 I wanted to recommend some Otani, but the truth is that I'm only really familiar with the junior heavyweight phase of his career, and he's been a heavyweight in Zero One much longer now than he was ever a junior. So making New Japan recommendations only represents a very narrow swath of his overall career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parties Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 To Casas one could add about three hundred different tag matches, but easy to get into stuff would include Casas-Liger from '90 (Casas wearing Felino's gear) and Casas-Santo from the Peace Festival in '96. Fast paced, fun, weird matches that are under 15 mins if memory serves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexoblivion Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 The Casas/Fiera and Satanico/Morgan hair matches from 93 are both pretty incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ship Canal Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 R.e Martel: I know it been mentioned that Grimmas did a podcast on Martel (and it was a really good one too), but he's someone I've been watching a great deal of recently after being pretty unfamiliar with his pre WWF stuff until a few years ago. The Rose/Wikowski vs Piper/Martel tag from Portland (1979 or 1980 I think?) rapidly became one of my favourite tags ever after seeing it a few months ago. It also contains one of the best instances of teasing a hot tag I can recall in any match I've ever watched. Its also worth checking out the Islanders vs Strike Force feud that the Tag Teams Back Again lads have been chronicling on their podcast the last few episodes - in some ways I think Martel's famed babyface fire works even better in a tag setting, whereby he's able to milk each and every exchange and leave the audience craving more of the same, but the Islanders feud contains a solo outing against Tama as well which is worth a look. His bout against Jumbo on 31/7/84 is pretty damn fine too, but as I say I'm still watching more of his stuff myself. On the subject of Akiyama, I rewatched his debut against Kobashi earlier today and fuck me if he wasn't pretty awesome straight off the bat. He's a guy I've almost seen TOO much of though, in the sense that he's had so many matches I've loved that I often completely forget the dates/events they took place at... does this happen to anyone else? The Hashimoto and Ohtani lists provided above are both spot on I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Thanks everyone for the boot camp help. This post isn't about that, but since I have my own vanity thread here already, I might as well use it for my own random thoughts. As I start to actually make a list I'm having trouble separating certain people. Not separating as in deciding who is above who (although that too), but in the sense that I can't help but group them together, and I can't separate them from each other or put anyone in between them on the list. It's not really a problem, I think it just makes me twitch in a finicky, anal list-making way, that I have groups of pairs instead of something that looks, to me, more balanced. Guys that I pair together like this include: Punk & Bryan Misawa & Kobashi Han & Tamura Aja Kong & Kansai Matt & Jeff Hardy Tenryu & Jumbo Santo & Casas Anyone else have guys that they can't help but group together on the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Misawa & Kawada Bull & Aja In both cases the former is clearly above the latter for me, but barely so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Bob Orton Jr & Adrian Adonis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB8 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Solar and Negro Navarro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Pirata Morgan: vs. El Dandy (9/23/1988) - on the Lucha 80s set vs. El Faraon (11/16/1990) vs. Brazo de Oro (11/18/1989) vs. Volador (1990-1992?) vs. Satanico (11/19 or 11/26/1993) w Hombre Bala/Jerry Estrada vs Rayo De Jalisco/Atlantis/Alfonso Dantes (1987) w Herodes/Gran Markus Jr. vs. Solomon Grundy/Ringo Mendoza/Atlantis (3/4/1990) w Electroshock/Bestia Salvaje vs. Negro Casas/Felino/Heavy Metal (6/17/2000) w Antifaz del Norte/Charly Manson vs. Sangre Chicana/Vampiro/Alebrije (5/21/2006) w Barba Roja/Hijo del Pirata Morgan vs. Negro Navarro/Trauma I/II (4/14/2011) There's also a Complete & Accurate for Pirata here: http://segundacaida.blogspot.de/search?q=Pirata+Morgan Blue Panther: vs. Atlantis 8/9/1991 vs. El Mariachi (10/30/1994) vs. Atlantis (12/5/1997) w Fishman vs. Lizmark/Atlantis (1/24/1998) vs. Charles Lucero (5/9/2004) vs. Villano V (12/9/2008) w Negro Navarro vs. Satanico/Solar (3/5/2011) vs. Negro Casas (3/2/2012) vs. Virus (5/12/2013) w Negro Casas/Atlantis vs. Black Terry/Negro Navarro/Solar (8/16/2013) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Didn't know where else to put this, so here will do since this is kind of a one-day boot camp. Today is my "research day", and yes I should be doing work, but I wrote two books last year so the university can leave me alone for a while. Instead I am going to spend it watching wrestling until I fall asleep tonight. Today is probably the last day of proper footage watching I have before finalising my list. Chad and I are set to record next Wed, and my list will be finished by then. I'll be away for most of the rest of March. On the docket: - Finish up Fujinami vs. Ishin Gundan feud from NJPW 80s, make final rating on Fujinami, the last serious top 5 contender - Selected Regal, 90s WCW, 00s WWE. And ... - I can do some spot reviews of ANYTHING on request (provided they are *serious* GWE candidates) in any gaps, so will take any requests here, preferably nothing over 20 mins This is going to be a marathon today. It's last chance saloon time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotJayTabb Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Fritz von Erich vs Giant Baba from 1966 is on YouTube, and is well worth a look (though it strikes me as a match you may have seen before). Both are guys I see as serious candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 In light of Garvin's imminent doom, I suggest that you watch Garvin/Valentine '89 pronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Its over 20 minutes but take this for a spin if you can. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x26n828_hiroshi-tanahashi-vs-minoru-suzuki-njpw-king-of-pro-wrestling-10-08-2012_sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 The finals of the 96 tag league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 That one has been reviewed Dylan on AJ Excite series. Not yet uploaded but in the can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 And ... - I can do some spot reviews of ANYTHING on request (provided they are *serious* GWE candidates) in any gaps, so will take any requests here, preferably nothing over 20 mins This is going to be a marathon today. It's last chance saloon time. Things I would recommend (apologies if you already reviewed it): Everything with 1984 El Satanico Hokuto vs. Kandori feud (importantly Dreamslam and the Queendom tag) Liger vs. Sasuke 4/94 and vs. Ohtani 2/97 Fujinami vs. Maeda 6/86 Santo vs. Dandy/Casas Feud 96 and 97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Have you been watching Buddy Rose at all, Parv? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 You really should watch the two Lawler v. Dundee LLT matches and the highlights of the UWF v. NJ feud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Have you been watching Buddy Rose at all, Parv?I've actually seen a good deal of Rose, just not reviewed any. I really dig the Portland setting and lose myself looking at the assorted skinny shouting old men in it. There is something about that style and setting that leaves me loathe to want to leave star ratings. It seems curiously reductive to do so. I'm thinking about stuff like that match with Boyd as the ref. How can you drop stars on it without crushing the beauty of the thing? I'm on board with Rose, don't worry. I like him a good bit, but probably not to the point where I see him as a top five guy like some of you. I do love the unique dynamic he has with that crowd though, it's almost like they get a real kick out of trolling him, it's just a lot of fun I think. Lovely little promotion with a vibe I feel very relaxed about. I've probably watched all the pimped matches at some point or other. Definitely ones vs. Youngblood, Adonis, Martel and Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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