JerryvonKramer Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Loss, you have to see it as a snapshot as opposed to something definitive. Also, because I'd love to know what that list would look like so much, I'd happily record you and just sit there saying "well Charles, what's your number 89 then and why do you have it there?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I agree Clash is the best, but I could see a case for Chi-Town because it was so tight and because the finish was a cool moment. I don't see much argument for Wrestle War, which probably wouldn't make my top 100. See I'm the same, have Wrestlewar some ways behind the other two. And I guess I'm just curious about the Wrestlewar love. I made the analogy before that Clash is the classic album, Chi-Town the killer single, and Wrestlewar the greatest hits tour. It's always felt a bit less vital than than the other two for me. Wrestlewar had a really interesting dynamic for me with Flair coming in vulnerable (due to the chicken wing threat) and desperate in his final chance to win back the title. Steamboat pretty much dominates him and Flair is almost an underdog. But he is still really savvy and uses his wits to force Steamboat to abandon his strategy and then capitalizes on it. It is probably his best performance, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I've been living in Japan for too long cos when I saw that title I thought it was a list of matches that are just okay. Nice to see you still carrying the torch for Queendom after all these years. I have gone to Japan too much because I thought exactly the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliott Posted January 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 I've been living in Japan for too long cos when I saw that title I thought it was a list of matches that are just okay. Nice to see you still carrying the torch for Queendom after all these years. That's the match that hasn't moved from the top 3ish spots for my "favorite/best matches I've ever seen" pretty much since I first saw it almost 16 years ago. Every time I watch it I always expect to not love it as much as before but it never happens. A common phrase you'll hear about great long matches is "this went almost 40 minutes but it flew by" or some variation of that. The Queendom match is long and it feels like a long match. But I mean that in the best possible way. They had a big story to tell and pulled it off. Its like the Lawrence of Arabia of wrestling matches with Akira Hokuto as Lawrence and Shinobu Kandori as Sherif Ali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliott Posted January 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Fun list. I wish I could pull it off but I don't think I could make a list I'd be happy with. It is a neverending project in a lot of ways. My top 6 I feel really good about. But after that it gets more difficult for sure and I could make changes endlessly. There are a bunch of matches that didn't make that first draft because I either inexplicably forgot about them like Casas vs Santo from 97, Dandy vs Azteca from 90, and Maeda vs Takada from 88, wasn't sure on the dates like various Rose/Martel, Rose/Piper, Fujiwara/Sayama, Fujiwara/Maeda, Fabs/Moondogs, every BattlArts match, and in the case of Super Dragon vs Necro Butcher I just didn't watch it in time. I was putting this out there as a snapshot/rough draft. So I plan on revisiting this as I watch more stuff and may even extend it to a top 200 or switch it up and do "Top 100 Favorite Matches" list instead of best even if there would be some overlap. I also kinda, sorta, maybe, think we should do a top 100 matches poll after the GWE finishes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 I remember doing a Top 100 matches list years ago and it was pretty much 95% modern WWE, with a handful of TNA and twentieth century matches thrown in. It would probably look exceedingly ridiculous now, but that's where I was in my wrestling viewing at that time. I kind of feel like I should attempt a list now just to see the difference. To be honest, I still find it hard to compare my favourite WWE matches to my favourite "other" matches, because it's so hard to go past the ones that you grew up on and lived through. In that sense I actually find it much easier to compare wrestlers for GWE than compare matches for a Best Matches list. But I find it much more enjoyable to make lists of matches than lists of wrestlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 To move back a ways, as a way of providing some reasoning for Wrestlewar, I probably have it JUST edging out the clash match as my favorite because I like how so many of the spots subtly call back to other things that happened early. I think the story of all three is one of Steamboat being a little quicker, a little more athletic, and just getting the best of Flair in the first two. Flair on the other hand is always learning and starts anticipating Steamboat's moves a bit more each time out. By the third match he gets a step ahead. For example, in wrestlewar there are a few spots where Steamer goes for something he hit and hit BIG in the first two. My favorite was the big running cross body. He hit that in both I think, (maybe just one), but it was a big flashy offensive move for Steamer that helped him get momentum and demonstrate that he had Flair's number. In Wrestlewar Flair just drops out of the way and Steamboat flies out of the ring and it is a turning point in the match. I read that as Flair's preparation, muscle memory, and study paying off in the long run, the story of what makes him a great champion paying off long term. I remember seeing Flair getting an extra counter or two to some of Steamer's better moves in the second match and then a few more in the third and it is that payoff i really liked. I also see in my notes on the matches that Flair's offense felt a little more urgent throughout, a little more ruthless, just in the way he was using his body language and the spaces between moves. I don't have a specific instance noted so I might have to look again to see exactly what I mean, but that is something that struck me on last watch. Ultimately, i have all three of them at 5 stars because I don't think you can detach them from one another. They are all 4 and 3/4 or 5 in a vacuum, but I just can't help but think about and rate them with a mind to how they worked together in the bigger story they were telling. I could go back today and watch them and might have them in different spots, depending on what I am really paying attention to or what is standing out. Last time I watched though I had Wrestlewar just a hair ahead of Clash and chi-town coming in third. As for the topic... fun list. I can see myself wanting to spend my evening starting a working list like this sometime in the near future. I just watched that Sangre Chicana vs MS-1 match over the holidays and it is hard to argue with it up top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Also, I am really glad to see Cena vs Dragon on there. I think that match got unfairly lost behind the Brock vs Punk match that night and I think Cena/Dragon was much better. Bryan is my favorite wrestler ever probably and that is maybe my favorite Bryan match, though I have Nigel/Dragon from United rated higher. I would also like to hear why you have Flair and Funk's Bash match so much higher than their Clash match. I think maybe most people do, but I always found the Clash match much more compelling and satisfying. I am a sucker for blood too. I just find think Flair and Funk really lack momentum for the entire first half of the Bash match and when I am watching really critically I get hung up on that. It would very likely make my top 100 list, but I am just more into the Clash match. I am just curious about your thinking on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxnj Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 I don't see at all how ranking wrestlers is easier than ranking matches. If you watch a match 5 times and have read a little about its background, you have a pretty well informed opinion on that match. Compare that to watching 5 matches from a guy for the GWE and reading a little about his background, which can only ever give you a very superficial understanding of them. I'd also argue that it works much better as a snapshot since it could be updated every year or 2 due to not requiring the same massive viewing/discussion project as GWE. Also, it gives a much better idea of what people like and how they rank the new shit with the usual suspects seeing the matches directly ranked instead of just the wrestlers involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 I don't see at all how ranking wrestlers is easier than ranking matches. If you watch a match 5 times and have read a little about its background, you have a pretty well informed opinion on that match. Compare that to watching 5 matches from a guy for the GWE and reading a little about his background, which can only ever give you a very superficial understanding of them. I'd also argue that it works much better as a snapshot since it could be updated every year or 2 due to not requiring the same massive viewing/discussion project as GWE. Also, it gives a much better idea of what people like and how they rank the new shit with the usual suspects seeing the matches directly ranked instead of just the wrestlers involved. I wasn't really clear - I meant that I find it easier to compare wrestlers from different eras than compare matches from different eras without being hampered by sentimentality. I can look at, say, John Cena and compare him to other guys that I didn't grow up on for the purposes of GWE, and I feel like I can at least entertain the notion of having someone else above him, even though he's my favourite. But if you ask me to compare, say, Cena vs Umaga to the best matches from other eras that I didn't grow up on, I would never in a million years be able to rank those matches above it. And the same holds true for all my favourite matches. Even now, if I made a Top 100 list and tried to put them in order I can't even imagine how far down I would get before I listed something that wasn't modern WWE. Embarrassingly far, I'm guessing. And it's not that I'm a blind mark I just...individual matches evoke something more visceral out of me than a wrestler's whole career. I need to feel it, and like everyone generally speaking, I feel most for the things I grew up on, and I find it hard to compare that to something I'm watching much more out of context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Admittedly I feel like sort of a scumbag doing this but self-interest forces me to say a GME project in the vein of GWE will be going down for those interested. It is over at VoW but I'm essentially organizing it. If that needs to be deleted so be it but I thought it would interest those that are looking/posting in this thread http://voicesofwrestling.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=12&sid=5420680e68f3ac8477834af104d875de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Don't be silly. Of course you can promote that here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 So this is my little present to myself now that GWE and all that it entails is (almost) over. I have turned away from the weight of ranking wrestlers for all eternity, and sought solace in the comforting arms of my favourite ever matches. I've been thinking about the idea of doing this for a while, but I've just spent an hour or so writing it out off the top of my head, without doing any preparation or rewatching or anything. Once you get past the first 25 or so the order is a TOTAL crapshoot, just me sliding matches in somewhere that looked good as I thought of them. I will hate this thing in a week, not to mention all the matches I've forgotten, but whatever. Just listing them out and thinking about all these awesome matches with no pressure to put them in any wider context was wonderful. Like I said, this was my reward for getting through GWE. I said above my previous Top 100 list was like 90% modern WWE. I've clearly grown a lot in those couple years because now my list is only about two-thirds modern WWE. Progress. My Top 100 Greatest / Best / Favourite / So So Good Matches of All Time (they all mean the same fucking thing) 100. Kofi Kingston vs Jack Swagger - WWE Smackdown 3rd December 2010 99. The Destroyer vs Giant Baba - JWA 5th March 1969 98. Vader vs Kiyoshi Tamura - UWFI 10th June 1994 97. Shawn Michaels vs Shelton Benjamin - WWE Raw 2nd May 2005 96. Sheamus vs Dolph Ziggler - WWE Smackdown 22nd June 201295. Misawa & Ogawa vs Hashimoto & Otsuka - NOAH 13th January 2001 94. Randy Orton vs Christian - WWE Over the Limit 2011 93. John Cena vs Batista - WWE Wrestlemania 26 92. CM Punk vs Mark Henry - WWE Raw 2nd April 2012 91. Motor City Machine Guns vs Doi & Yoshino - TNA Impact 12th June 2008 90. Eddy & Love Machine vs Hijo del Santo & Octagon - When Worlds Collide 1994 89. Sami Zayn vs Shinsuke Nakamura - NXT Takeover Dallas 2016 88. Sheamus vs Cesaro - WWE Main Event 5th June 2013 87. Austin Aries vs Samoa Joe - TNA Slammiversary 2012 86. John Cena vs Randy Orton - WWE Breaking Point 2009 (I Quit) 85. The Shield vs The Wyatt Family - WWE Elimination Chamber 2014 84. Shinya Hashimoto vs Toshiaki Kawada - AJPW 22nd February 2004 83. John Cena vs Kevin Owens - WWE Elimination Chamber 2015 82. Volk Han vs Kiyoshi Tamura - RINGS 22nd January 1997 81. Matt Hardy vs MVP - WWE Great American Bash 2007 80. Sasha Banks vs Bayley - NXT Takeover Respect 2015 (Ironman) 79. John Cena vs Edge - WWE Unforgiven 2006 (TLC) 78. Money in the Bank IV - WWE Wrestlemania 24 77. Stan Hansen vs Terry Funk - AJPW 14th March 1983 76. John Cena vs Rey Mysterio - WWE Raw 25th July 2011 75. Shinya Hashimoto vs Hiroshi Hase - NJPW 13th December 1994 74. Toshiaki Kawada vs Kenta Kobashi - AJPW 13th April 1995 73. Motor City Machine Guns vs Generation Me - TNA ReAction 18th November 2010 (Empty Arena) 72. Greg Valentine vs Roddy Piper - NWA Starrcade 1983 (Dog Collar) 71. Mark Rocco vs Marty Jones - Joint Promotions 26th July 1978 70. Beth Phoenix vs Melina - WWE One Night Stand 2008 (I Quit) 69. AJ Styles vs Abyss - TNA Lockdown 2005 (Cage) 68. Mickie James vs Melina - WWE Backlash 2007 67. Rey & Edge vs Angle & Benoit - WWE Smackdown 7th November 2002 (2/3 Falls) 66. Toyota & Yamada vs Ozaki & Kansai - AJW Dream Rush 26th November 1992 65. AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe - TNA Sacrifice 2005 64. Rey Mysterio vs Kurt Angle - WWE Smackdown 23rd January 2003 63. Mark Henry vs Big Show - WWE Vengeance 2011 62. Misawa & Kobashi vs Kawada & Taue - AJPW 9th June 1995 61. Triple H vs Shawn Michaels - WWE Summerslam 2002 (Unsanctioned) 60. John Cena vs Rob Van Dam - WWE ECW One Night Stand 2006 59. Mitsuharu Misawa vs Akira Taue - AJPW 15th April 1995 58. CM Punk vs Jeff Hardy - WWE Smackdown 28th August 2009 (Cage) 57. Young Bucks vs Cutler Bros vs Peligro Abejas - PWG Seven 30th July 2010 (Guerrilla Warfare) 56. The Shield vs Bryan, Kane & Ryback - WWE TLC 2012 55. Akira Taue vs Toshiaki Kawada - AJPW 15th January 1991 54. Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair - WWE Wrestlemania 24 53. Toshiaki Kawada vs Steve Williams - AJPW 16th April 1994 52. AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe - TNA Turning Point 2005 51. The Shield vs Cena, Sheamus & Ryback - WWE Elimination Chamber 2013 50. Sheamus vs Daniel Bryan - WWE Extreme Rules 2012 (2/3 Falls) 49. John Cena vs CM Punk - WWE Night of Champions 2012 48. Stan Hansen vs Carlos Colon - WWC 10th January 1987 (Bullrope Match) 47. Jim Breaks vs Johnny Saint - Joint Promotions 14th March 1973 46. CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar - WWE Summerslam 2013 45. Steve Veidor vs Gwyn Davies - Joint Promotions 26th May 1976 44. Rey Mysterio vs Mark Henry - WWE Smackdown 20th January 2006 43. Royal Rumble Match - WWE Royal Rumble 2005 42. Jushin Thunder Liger vs Shinjiro Ohtani - NJPW 9th February 1997 41. John Cena vs Randy Orton - WWE Summerslam 2007 40. Eddie Guerrero vs JBL - WWE Great American Bash 2004 39. Akira Hokuto vs Shinobu Kandori - AJW 2nd April 1993 38. Brainbusters vs Demolition - WWF SNME 29th July 1989 (2/3 Falls) 37. Trish Stratus vs Mickie James - WWE New Years Revolution 2006 36. Shawn Michaels vs Chris Benoit - WWE Raw 3rd May 2004 35. Jushin Thunder Liger vs El Samurai - NJPW 30th April 1992 34. Triple H vs Shawn Michaels - WWE Raw 29th December 2003 33. El Generico vs Jigsaw vs Jackson vs Ibushi - CHIKARA King of Trios 28th March 2009 32. Victoria vs Cherry - WWE Smackdown 18th April 2008 31. John Cena vs CM Punk - WWE Raw 25th February 2013 30. Randy Orton vs Cactus Jack - WWE Backlash 2004 (Hardcore Rules) 29. Royal Rumble Match - WWE Royal Rumble 2008 28. Eddie Guerrero vs Brock Lesnar - WWE No Way Out 2004 27. Terry Funk vs Jerry Lawler - Memphis 6th April 1981 (Empty Arena) 26. John Cena vs Shawn Michaels - WWE Wrestlemania 23 25. Shelton Benjamin vs Viscera - WWE New Years Revolution 2006 24. Money in the Bank I - WWE Wrestlemania 21 (Ladder) 23. Stan Hansen vs Carlos Colon - WWC 14th March 1987 (Cage) 22. Rey Mysterio vs John Morrison - WWE Smackdown 4th September 2009 21. Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat - WCW Clash of the Champions 1989 (2/3 Falls) 20. John Cena vs JBL - WWE Great American Bash 2005 (I Quit) 19. Rey Mysterio vs Eddie Guerrero - WWE Smackdown 23rd June 2005 18. Stan Hansen vs Toshiaki Kawada - AJPW 28th February 1993 17. John Cena vs Daniel Bryan - WWE Summerslam 2013 16. Triple H vs Shelton Benjamin - WWE Raw 29th March 2004 15. Sasha Banks vs Bayley - NXT Takeover Brooklyn 2015 14. Stan Hansen vs Andre the Giant - NJPW 23rd September 1981 13. John Cena vs CM Punk - WWE Money in the Bank 2011 12. Sheamus vs Big Show - WWE Hell in a Cell 2012 11. Trish Stratus vs Lita - WWE Raw 6th December 2004 10. John Cena vs Brock Lesnar - WWE Extreme Rules 2012 9. Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker - WWE Wrestlemania 26 8. Triple H vs Undertaker - WWE Wrestlemania 28 (Hell in a Cell) 7. Triple H vs Undertaker - WWE Wrestlemania 27 6. Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker - WWE Wrestlemania 25 5. Trish Stratus vs Lita - WWE Unforgiven 2006 4. Trish Stratus vs Mickie James - WWE Wrestlemania 22 3. John Cena vs Shawn Michaels - WWE Raw 23rd April 2007 2. Team Austin vs Team Bischoff - WWE Survivor Series 2003 1. John Cena vs Umaga - WWE Royal Rumble 2007 (Last Man Standing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 So this is my little present to myself now that GWE and all that it entails is (almost) over. I have turned away from the weight of ranking wrestlers for all eternity, and sought solace in the comforting arms of my favourite ever matches. I've been thinking about the idea of doing this for a while, but I've just spent an hour or so writing it out off the top of my head, without doing any preparation or rewatching or anything. Once you get past the first 25 or so the order is a TOTAL crapshoot, just me sliding matches in somewhere that looked good as I thought of them. I will hate this thing in a week, not to mention all the matches I've forgotten, but whatever. Just listing them out and thinking about all these awesome matches with no pressure to put them in any wider context was wonderful. Like I said, this was my reward for getting through GWE. I said above my previous Top 100 list was like 90% modern WWE. I've clearly grown a lot in those couple years because now my list is only about two-thirds modern WWE. Progress. My Top 100 Greatest / Best / Favourite / So So Good Matches of All Time (they all mean the same fucking thing) 100. Kofi Kingston vs Jack Swagger - WWE Smackdown 3rd December 2010 99. The Destroyer vs Giant Baba - JWA 5th March 1969 98. Vader vs Kiyoshi Tamura - UWFI 10th June 1994 97. Shawn Michaels vs Shelton Benjamin - WWE Raw 2nd May 2005 96. Sheamus vs Dolph Ziggler - WWE Smackdown 22nd June 2012 95. Misawa & Ogawa vs Hashimoto & Otsuka - NOAH 13th January 2001 94. Randy Orton vs Christian - WWE Over the Limit 2011 93. John Cena vs Batista - WWE Wrestlemania 26 92. CM Punk vs Mark Henry - WWE Raw 2nd April 2012 91. Motor City Machine Guns vs Doi & Yoshino - TNA Impact 12th June 2008 90. Eddy & Love Machine vs Hijo del Santo & Octagon - When Worlds Collide 1994 89. Sami Zayn vs Shinsuke Nakamura - NXT Takeover Dallas 2016 88. Sheamus vs Cesaro - WWE Main Event 5th June 2013 87. Austin Aries vs Samoa Joe - TNA Slammiversary 2012 86. John Cena vs Randy Orton - WWE Breaking Point 2009 (I Quit) 85. The Shield vs The Wyatt Family - WWE Elimination Chamber 2014 84. Shinya Hashimoto vs Toshiaki Kawada - AJPW 22nd February 2004 83. John Cena vs Kevin Owens - WWE Elimination Chamber 2015 82. Volk Han vs Kiyoshi Tamura - RINGS 22nd January 1997 81. Matt Hardy vs MVP - WWE Great American Bash 2007 80. Sasha Banks vs Bayley - NXT Takeover Respect 2015 (Ironman) 79. John Cena vs Edge - WWE Unforgiven 2006 (TLC) 78. Money in the Bank IV - WWE Wrestlemania 24 77. Stan Hansen vs Terry Funk - AJPW 14th March 1983 76. John Cena vs Rey Mysterio - WWE Raw 25th July 2011 75. Shinya Hashimoto vs Hiroshi Hase - NJPW 13th December 1994 74. Toshiaki Kawada vs Kenta Kobashi - AJPW 13th April 1995 73. Motor City Machine Guns vs Generation Me - TNA ReAction 18th November 2010 (Empty Arena) 72. Greg Valentine vs Roddy Piper - NWA Starrcade 1983 (Dog Collar) 71. Mark Rocco vs Marty Jones - Joint Promotions 26th July 1978 70. Beth Phoenix vs Melina - WWE One Night Stand 2008 (I Quit) 69. AJ Styles vs Abyss - TNA Lockdown 2005 (Cage) 68. Mickie James vs Melina - WWE Backlash 2007 67. Rey & Edge vs Angle & Benoit - WWE Smackdown 7th November 2002 (2/3 Falls) 66. Toyota & Yamada vs Ozaki & Kansai - AJW Dream Rush 26th November 1992 65. AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe - TNA Sacrifice 2005 64. Rey Mysterio vs Kurt Angle - WWE Smackdown 23rd January 2003 63. Mark Henry vs Big Show - WWE Vengeance 2011 62. Misawa & Kobashi vs Kawada & Taue - AJPW 9th June 1995 61. Triple H vs Shawn Michaels - WWE Summerslam 2002 (Unsanctioned) 60. John Cena vs Rob Van Dam - WWE ECW One Night Stand 2006 59. Mitsuharu Misawa vs Akira Taue - AJPW 15th April 1995 58. CM Punk vs Jeff Hardy - WWE Smackdown 28th August 2009 (Cage) 57. Young Bucks vs Cutler Bros vs Peligro Abejas - PWG Seven 30th July 2010 (Guerrilla Warfare) 56. The Shield vs Bryan, Kane & Ryback - WWE TLC 2012 55. Akira Taue vs Toshiaki Kawada - AJPW 15th January 1991 54. Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair - WWE Wrestlemania 24 53. Toshiaki Kawada vs Steve Williams - AJPW 16th April 1994 52. AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe - TNA Turning Point 2005 51. The Shield vs Cena, Sheamus & Ryback - WWE Elimination Chamber 2013 50. Sheamus vs Daniel Bryan - WWE Extreme Rules 2012 (2/3 Falls) 49. John Cena vs CM Punk - WWE Night of Champions 2012 48. Stan Hansen vs Carlos Colon - WWC 10th January 1987 (Bullrope Match) 47. Jim Breaks vs Johnny Saint - Joint Promotions 14th March 1973 46. CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar - WWE Summerslam 2013 45. Steve Veidor vs Gwyn Davies - Joint Promotions 26th May 1976 44. Rey Mysterio vs Mark Henry - WWE Smackdown 20th January 2006 43. Royal Rumble Match - WWE Royal Rumble 2005 42. Jushin Thunder Liger vs Shinjiro Ohtani - NJPW 9th February 1997 41. John Cena vs Randy Orton - WWE Summerslam 2007 40. Eddie Guerrero vs JBL - WWE Great American Bash 2004 39. Akira Hokuto vs Shinobu Kandori - AJW 2nd April 1993 38. Brainbusters vs Demolition - WWF SNME 29th July 1989 (2/3 Falls) 37. Trish Stratus vs Mickie James - WWE New Years Revolution 2006 36. Shawn Michaels vs Chris Benoit - WWE Raw 3rd May 2004 35. Jushin Thunder Liger vs El Samurai - NJPW 30th April 1992 34. Triple H vs Shawn Michaels - WWE Raw 29th December 2003 33. El Generico vs Jigsaw vs Jackson vs Ibushi - CHIKARA King of Trios 28th March 2009 32. Victoria vs Cherry - WWE Smackdown 18th April 2008 31. John Cena vs CM Punk - WWE Raw 25th February 2013 30. Randy Orton vs Cactus Jack - WWE Backlash 2004 (Hardcore Rules) 29. Royal Rumble Match - WWE Royal Rumble 2008 28. Eddie Guerrero vs Brock Lesnar - WWE No Way Out 2004 27. Terry Funk vs Jerry Lawler - Memphis 6th April 1981 (Empty Arena) 26. John Cena vs Shawn Michaels - WWE Wrestlemania 23 25. Shelton Benjamin vs Viscera - WWE New Years Revolution 2006 24. Money in the Bank I - WWE Wrestlemania 21 (Ladder) 23. Stan Hansen vs Carlos Colon - WWC 14th March 1987 (Cage) 22. Rey Mysterio vs John Morrison - WWE Smackdown 4th September 2009 21. Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat - WCW Clash of the Champions 1989 (2/3 Falls) 20. John Cena vs JBL - WWE Great American Bash 2005 (I Quit) 19. Rey Mysterio vs Eddie Guerrero - WWE Smackdown 23rd June 2005 18. Stan Hansen vs Toshiaki Kawada - AJPW 28th February 1993 17. John Cena vs Daniel Bryan - WWE Summerslam 2013 16. Triple H vs Shelton Benjamin - WWE Raw 29th March 2004 15. Sasha Banks vs Bayley - NXT Takeover Brooklyn 2015 14. Stan Hansen vs Andre the Giant - NJPW 23rd September 1981 13. John Cena vs CM Punk - WWE Money in the Bank 2011 12. Sheamus vs Big Show - WWE Hell in a Cell 2012 11. Trish Stratus vs Lita - WWE Raw 6th December 2004 10. John Cena vs Brock Lesnar - WWE Extreme Rules 2012 9. Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker - WWE Wrestlemania 26 8. Triple H vs Undertaker - WWE Wrestlemania 28 (Hell in a Cell) 7. Triple H vs Undertaker - WWE Wrestlemania 27 6. Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker - WWE Wrestlemania 25 5. Trish Stratus vs Lita - WWE Unforgiven 2006 4. Trish Stratus vs Mickie James - WWE Wrestlemania 22 3. John Cena vs Shawn Michaels - WWE Raw 23rd April 2007 2. Team Austin vs Team Bischoff - WWE Survivor Series 2003 1. John Cena vs Umaga - WWE Royal Rumble 2007 (Last Man Standing) So I assume you've never seen Magnum TA vs Tully Blanchard "I Quit" Steel Cage match for the United States Title from Starrcade 1985? Cause, ya really should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 I definitely have. Love that match, it's one of the matches that just missed out. It would make my top 200 for sure. There are tonnes of great matches I couldn't fit on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 No Bret Hart matches is interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 No Bret Hart matches is interesting... Not to me haha. Just sort of backs up what I've always said about Bret, that he's fine but doesn't really resonate with me on a higher level. For what it's worth, the Bret matches I like most are Austin at WM, and the Owen cage match. The latter was always one of my favourite "old" matches back when 90% of the "old" stuff I'd seen was whatever happened to get on WWE released DVDs. But there's nothing that would come too close to my personal list. No lucha matches is far more interesting to me, now that I've noticed that. For how much more I "get" and enjoy lucha these days, I still don't have even one standout match that I can point to for a list like this. My favourite lucha match is probably still When Worlds Collide. With lucha all the matches blend together for me, I just let them wash over me and see what takeaways I got from them in terms of individual workers. But that was looking at it through a GWE lens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutenberger Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 No Bret Hart matches is interesting... Not to me haha. Just sort of backs up what I've always said about Bret, that he's fine but doesn't really resonate with me on a higher level. For what it's worth, the Bret matches I like most are Austin at WM, and the Owen cage match. The latter was always one of my favourite "old" matches back when 90% of the "old" stuff I'd seen was whatever happened to get on WWE released DVDs. But there's nothing that would come too close to my personal list. Finally someone who expresses the exact same view about Hart as I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 List kinda sucks Jimmy. At times, an open troll on standards of decency and good taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 List kinda sucks Jimmy. At times, an open troll on standards of decency and good taste. Nothing else could endorse my list better than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 That's a real list, Jimmy. None of this bloody pandering from BIGBORE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Yeah but at the end of the day she's put Trish Stratus matches and HHH vs Shelton Benjamin over Clash 6; so you know. If the new paradigm is to celebrate that, it's a paradigm that is ultimately wanting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 That's because she has a pulse. Yiou sure stopped defending the voting base in a hurry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Let's all marinate in the juices of unbridled subjectivity and celebrate as Justin Bieber fans gleefully declare Believe as being "better than Nirvana, Bob Dylan and Prince combined". One fan was quoted as saying, "the music just speaks to me so much more. I just love 'All Around the World' featuring Ludacris! It means so much to me!" Another said, "Justin Bieber gives us the eternal cry of youth, his music will be remembered for years to come". Let us celebrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 I now wholeheartedly regret ranking Clash VI over Shelton vs Viscera and Victoria vs Cherry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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