ohtani's jacket Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 So glad Virus made it. He easily made my list. What a freaking talent, it's a shame he doesn't get more singles matches. Virus having more singles matches this decade is the reason he cracked the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 One thing I've learned is that El-P drastically overrates Backlund.One thing I've learned is that Ricky Jackson didn't base his list on in ring work. You're right I didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 One thing I've learned is that El-P drastically overrates Backlund.One thing I've learned is that Ricky Jackson didn't base his list on in ring work.You're right I didn't Did it play a role, or was it a complete non-factor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Yes of course it did, otherwise I would've voted Ultimate Warrior number 1 or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 I LOVE LOVE LOVE Backlund in New Japan/UWF/Battlarts and I remember digging him in the 90s WWF stuff as well so I watched some 70s/80s WW(W?)F stuff of his to see how he was there and it didn't do anything for me and thus didn't feel compelled to rank him. If his home promotion's style was closer to what I value in wrestling I'm almost certain he would be on my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Yes of course it did, otherwise I would've voted Ultimate Warrior number 1 or something Yeah kind of a dumb question on my part. So what was the criteria for your ballot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 I LOVE LOVE LOVE Backlund in New Japan/UWF/Battlarts and I remember digging him in the 90s WWF stuff as well so I watched some 70s/80s WW(W?)F stuff of his to see how he was there and it didn't do anything for me and thus didn't feel compelled to rank him. If his home promotion's style was closer to what I value in wrestling I'm almost certain he would be on my list. Have you seen his hour draw with Valentine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunning_grover Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Virus and the Destroyer are not on my list, but they are definitely in my top 150... maybe they will make it to my top 100 next time. I briefly considered Dusty Rhodes at some point, but I'm actually not sure if he would even make my top 150 (he would definitely be somewhere in my top 200 though). Kerry Von Erich is my #74 L.A. Park is my #27 Sangre Chicana is my #9 (high vote) I have only 59 wrestlers left that haven't appeared in the final results so far... 41 wrestlers that are in my top 100 have appeared in the final results so far... ... #8 Masa Fuchi [#111] (high vote) #9 Sangre Chicana [#95] (high vote) ... #14 Chigusa Nagayo [#110] #15 Fuerza Guerrera [#155] (high vote) ... #27 L.A. Park [#96] #28 Mr. Gannosuke [#277] (high vote) ... #31 Mayumi Ozaki [#133] ... #36 Jaguar Yokota [#114] ... #41 La Fiera [#164] ... #48 El Samurai [#212] (high vote) #49 Kyoko Inoue [#217] ... #53 Tsuyoshi Kikuchi [#148] ... #55 Great Sasuke [#116] ... #57 Yumi Ikeshita [#384] ... #60 TAKA Michinoku [#180] ... #62 Shinobu Kandori [#146] ... #65 Dynamite Kansai [#125] #66 Dan Kroffat [#254] ... #69 Perro Aguayo [#140] ... #71 Bison Kimura [#420] #72 Devil Masami [#135] #73 Cuty Suzuki [#385] #74 Kerry Von Erich [#98] #75 Dennis Condrey [#199] #76 Pirata Morgan [#117] #77 Super Astro [#283] #78 Leo Burke [#296] #79 Jinsei Shinzaki [#400] ... #82 Masato Tanaka [#175] #83 Javier Cruz [#502] (high vote/only vote) ... #85 Psicosis [#183] ... #88 Marty Jannetty [#272] #89 Espectrito [#370] #90 Masa Saito [#160] #91 Sabu [#149] #92 Scott Steiner [#162] #93 Jacques Rougeau [#339] ... #96 Carlos Colon [#103] ... #98 Stan Lane [#260] #99 Big Boss Man [#171] #100 Ron Starr [#403] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InYourCase Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Backlund in BattleArts made me want to give the guy a deeper look but I never got around to it. Fwiw, his BatBat run is a blast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 I LOVE LOVE LOVE Backlund in New Japan/UWF/Battlarts and I remember digging him in the 90s WWF stuff as well so I watched some 70s/80s WW(W?)F stuff of his to see how he was there and it didn't do anything for me and thus didn't feel compelled to rank him. If his home promotion's style was closer to what I value in wrestling I'm almost certain he would be on my list. Have you seen his hour draw with Valentine? I'll continue to bring this up, but when both workers say that Greg was blown up after 3-4 minutes and that was the reason they sat in a headlock for the first 30 mins, why is it so routinely overlooked when analysing that match? What makes the 30-minute headlock Bob does there better than a 30-minute Don Muraco chinlock? Serious question. The story with that match is that Bruno was stuck in snow or something, and they unexpectedly had to go long. Greg got blown up, which is why they laid an egg for the first half. Then it picks up. I see a lot of people shower ***** on that match, but both Bob and Greg have MUCH better stuff against each other and on the mat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Because the match is still great. I think you are overemphasizing the headlock spot. It really isn't that long and it is something they play off of, going back to it multiple times without just sitting in it. It is still an action-packed match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 I think one of my criticisms of Backlund around that time was that he has a "paucity of imagination". Like a lot of 70s guys will progress through holds. Not Bob.Headlock ... errrr ... back to the Headlock!!! Now what ... HEADLOCK! It's like he's got tunnell vision.He is pretty consistent with it. Sometimes it's the row row row. Sometimes it's a leg hold. But he doesn't just go back to a specific body part but to a specific HOLD. For like 20 straight minutes. Sometimes I think "Bob... BOB do you have a single other idea in your head?"My qualms with Backlund are well documented, I won't go over them here. I just think the 82 series between Bob and Greg is way way better than the 79 stuff, to the point of being blow-away great. In fact, Backlund has a really strong case to be "best worker in the world" in 1982 now I come to think of it. Adonis, Slaughter, Orton Jr, Snuka. All 82. He had a smokin hot year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 That Valentine/Backlund match was my No.1 pick on the Smarkschoice Greatest WWE Match poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Also, I think his 1980 match with Hulk Hogan is an EXCELLENT carry job. Andre will rank higher on this list, but Andre couldn't do shit with Hogan in 1980. Backlund got a GREAT match out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Also, I'm not critiquing a match based on what was said in some shoot interview or something. I'm critiquing it based on what was on the screen. If Valentine had limitations because of his stamina, its that much more impressive that they found a way to work so compellingly around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 We've talked about the slippery slope of intent before. That's why I wouldn't factor that in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 I maintain the work they do in that first thirty minutes is not much different from your typical Muraco vs. Pedro snoozefest, only Muraco probably switches up a bit more than tunnel-vision Bob. Maybe I'll review the match again one day. The idea it's on par with Bock vs. Hennig or something like that seems bizarre to me. I'm also saying this really cos I can see a lot of newcomers to Bob being really put off and put to sleep by that match, and he has so many more accessible and enjoyable matches. It's an era that can be hard to get into and my instinct is that match will turn off more people than it turns on. Why not watch the 82 Greg matches which are so much more exciting? Or Patera Texas death? Or Adonis match or Patterson or any number of great matches he's had? I'd argue that it would be better to go for that 79 Greg match last, once you've built up an understanding of all of Bob's weird quirks, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 I'm not partial to one hour draws and expected somewhat of a snoozer based on your critique. I was pleasantly surprised and the match ended when I thought there was still another 20 minutes or so to go. I think one of us is misremembering the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cad Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Dandy is gonna place relatively high because there are people VERY high on him. The Lucha footage explosion probably helped him more than damn near anyone. Is the footage explosion people finding out about certain matches or more matches getting uploaded to Youtube? I always assumed that the list of top Dandy matches is about the same as it was in 2006, with most new additions being buildup matches and stuff like that. Whereas with someone like La Fiera I can't imagine what he was getting praised for back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 A number 1 vote for Scorpio??? He was around my number 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 I love Mando so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 If I'm ranking lists, Mando's might be #1 for me right now. That's fantastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Clearly Mando stepped to school (I am ashamed I only had Scorp at #40) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Guys Mando did a podcast with Will explaining his list!!!! Coming soon!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestintheworld3589 Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 I had 4 people from my list featured todayDusty Rhodes (77) 2 Cold Scorpio (73) Shinsuke Nakamura (59) Kerry Von Erich (57) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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