Superstar Sleeze Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 I was thinking about her. I was like do I put her on when I have seen only three matches of hers or Matt Borne who I have only seen three matches. Doink won out. She does have a great front kick. I am in confident in my top 13. Everything else is a clusterfuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 I was thinking about her. I was like do I put her on when I have seen only three matches of hers or Matt Borne who I have only seen three matches. Doink won out. She does have a great front kick. I am in confident in my top 13. Everything else is a clusterfuck. You made me want to go watch that Michaels vs Orton match. I hold that against you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Did you actually watch it? Because then you wouldn't be so grumpy. Also Microstatistics deserves the credit for that find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohheylook Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Got 69 wrestlers left to fill the last 55 spots. Not enough time in the day for this shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 I was thinking about her. I was like do I put her on when I have seen only three matches of hers or Matt Borne who I have only seen three matches. Doink won out. She does have a great front kick. I am in confident in my top 13. Everything else is a clusterfuck. Yeah, I'd say I'm comfortable with my Top 8 or so. After that, everything's a little iffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKWebb Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 My list is in... now looking forward to all the discussion coming out of the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I have totally fallen off in my watching. A real shame. Work & real life getting in the way. I hope the fire burns anew so that I can cram some more in before the end of the year. I will definitely be down to the wire. My last day of work is tomorrow, which will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigelow34 Posted December 24, 2017 Report Share Posted December 24, 2017 Be sure to get your GWWE ballots in over the next week! Voting closes one week from tonight on 12/31/17 at 11:59pm! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScRk0eY3_SXzFRIlBqZgpFnPudYwo0L31FmoE9yrA9DQ8jhxg/viewform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just submitted mine. Feel really good about the top 25, pretty solid about the top 50, but everything else was really tough. Admittedly a bit of a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted December 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Deadline is today so get those ballots in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Got mine in last night. The more I think about it the more I would have suggested to split it in half. 1963-2001 and then 2002-Present. It just so happens that the name change happens in 2002. But the fact WWE becomes a monopoly in 2001 and then becomes more of a bureaucratic corporation all line up with that. The biggest issue I have is people like Owen Hart who really only have 4 strong years vs The Miz who has been here there a decade. The only people who develop really long tenure tend to debut after 2002. There are exceptions like Bret, Shawn and Hogan. But the WWE is such a different beast after 2002 once the monopoly is fully realized. Not only that it would have made everything much more a manageable. I had the opposite problem that everyone else has. After 60, I was like ummmmmmmmmm who should I include. I needed warm bodies. I feel like whenever I do these I lists that I hate wrestling because I don't have problems leaving people off my list it is justifying them getting on. It is like this dude has a wicked glaring flaw and I just cant overlook it. Positive: I watched a lot of good wrestling and found out weird stuff like that John Morrison was really damn good in 2009. I had no fucking clue. Dude hits hard and works hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigelow34 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 I took the Will position of "dog years"... like three good years in the pre-02 era was worth six or so after 2002. It helped normalize things a bit that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 My friends are playing chess and I'm bored. In celebration of the end, my top twenty in alphabetical order: Andre The Giant Bob Backlund Bret "Hitman" Hart Brock Lesnar Bruno Sammartino Chris Benoit Chris Jericho CM Punk Greg "The Hammer" Valentine Hulk Hogan John Cena Mick Foley Randy "Macho Man" Savage Rey Mysterio Ricky "The Dragon"Steamboat Sgt. Slaughter Shawn Michaels "Stone Cold" Steve Austin Tito Santana The Undertaker Who did I miss? Who should I have not included? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKWebb Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Top 20 in alpha order: Bob Backlund Bret Hart Brock Lesnar Bruno Sammartino Chris Jericho CM Punk Daniel Bryan Eddie Guerrero Greg Valentine Hulk Hogan Jake Roberts John Cena Randy Savage Rey Mysterio Roddy Piper Sgt. Slaughter Shawn Michaels Steve Austin The Rock Tito Santana Steamboat & Taker are in my top 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Eddie & Bryan are 23 & 22 for me. Didn't rank Jake The Snake can't stand him when he is in the ring unless it is with Steamboat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I didn't participate and thus don't know what rules may have influenced rankings, but Reigns & Bryan look like the standouts who should be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 WingedEagle, Roman Reigns was #21 and Daniel Bryan was #22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Voting is closed!118 voters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKWebb Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Man, I just love the Roberts/Savage feud in 91 too much. And Ill add I had Rick Martel at 25 . Glad there was a good voter turnout! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Glad there were that many voters, I certainly didnt feel qualified to submit a ballot but Im looking forward to hearing the takes of those that did vote on the upcoming podcasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 I had Bryan at 8 and Reigns somewhere around 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 I dont really get Steamboat as a top 20 guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 I had Bryan higher than Reigns (bc of course I did), but I full believe when the dust settles, Reigns will be a top 5 guy. For me it was a matter of no one having higher highs than Bryan (in my book) and Reigns having some herky-jerky parts of his career that really weren't his fault. I also wound up with Steamboat pretty high on the quality of his short-ish run. I think his moments and in ring factors were really high for having limited time in the company. I do wish I had drafted my list earlier (life!? what are you going to do?) because I did wind up leaving off 2-3 guys that probably would have made the back half of my list. It was a fun project. I wound up watching some old stuff and dug a little into some blind spots. Not enough really, but is it ever enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 @Dylan, MOTY's (or runner-ups) in 85, 86 and 87 for the promotion (w/Tito vs Dream Team, vs Roberts Boston 8/9/86, vs Savage Toronto or Mania III take your pick). High level feuds throughout his run: Muraco, Jake The Snake, Savage, Honky & Rude, zero downtime booking wise. Very over throughout this period, big pops. Consistently one of the top workers in the company. He brought the sprint-y Mid-Atlantic style to the usually plodding, heavyweight Northern style. Had at least good matches with a variety of people. Ultimately, I think what cracks the Top 20 is the hagiography surrounding WrestleMania III. It influenced countless number of wrestlers and wrestling fans in what "good" wrestling is. It is not just Savage's pre-planning, it is Steamboat's execution and a lot of classic Steamboat spots. It is the break neck pace, it is the selling of Steamboat and the rapid fire nearfalls at the end. It is all a portent of things to come that really was never used in a Northern promotion. We all know of the Backlund classics and Slaughter/Sheik, but for the WWF/E and for most of their fans great wrestling begins with Savage/Steamboat. It was the first match to be canonized. I want to strongly emphasize that it is not just the layout but it is Steamboat's execution. Tito Santana would not have had that same match. Tito Santana was a blood feud worker with lots of punches. This was a match that was unique to Steamboat's strengths. Over the course of three years, Steamboat was a consistent and over presence as a babyface in the upper midcard, strong blood feuds with big angles (Muraco hanging, DDT on the concrete and the larynx crushing), good to great matches with a variety of opponents, brought a totally different style to the WWF and an influence on subsequent generations of wrestlers and wrestling fans that is still felt to this day. His biggest negative is a short tenure and he kinda goes out with a whimper and this is why he finished at #18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 In regards to Reigns, the Shield run is awesome and he's obviously had a ton of great matches. But other than that, I don't think he's really had a lot memorable moments or storylines. Even if you take away fan response, a lot of his singles feuds were poorly booked and didn't have too many standout moments that made me go "Wow! That was amazing!". Not to mention he's never been a great babyface or promo. His work in singles and tags definitely are pluses, but other than that I can't really think of any reason I would put him in the top 20-30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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